Those who profit from them don’t believe them; they’re buying time to shift their assets and hoping your pension plan will load up the fossil fuel stocks they’re hoping to sell off.

Those who parrot the claims, perhaps, believe — or trust — those they’re echoing.

The ones promoting the repetition — the rebunking — know better. They are looking for the credulous, the people with short memories, who believe what they see repeatedly. And the promoters laugh at those who believe what they’re pushing.
The Long Con

You could just as readily reverse the graph by focusing on subsiding grabens and negative flexure zones behind regions of postglacial rebound

There are plenty of places going up or down 3-5 times faster than sea level change , which is why , from Guatemala to Borneo, we have some spectacular young mountains rising even as the anthropocene rolls along.</a.

What a sublime way to show who the real frauds are – great idea

The idea has been popular for decades. 🙂 Many years ago I discussed the subject with James Randi while he was still walking around with his US$10,000 check in his suit pocket, trying to give it away— and nobody would take it.

Offering wagers and prizes for evidence of extraordinary claims shows, overwhelmingly, that the people making the claims know their claims are false. By actual count out of 680 people I personally contacted to take my US$1,000 wager who have said Earth is cooling or that Earth’s temperature increase has stopped, *ONE* said he would accept the wager— and then never followed through. My wager is here:

http://warmwagers.org/

That’s 680 personally contacted; I have made the wager offer known to literally thousands of deniers via several dozen “free market” fundamentalist’s blogs, petroleum industry blogs, and similar venues. I begged tem to take my money; I pleaded; I wailed; at one time span I even offered 2:1 odds. They refused to put their money where their loud obnoxious FOX Network-controlled mouths were.

It shows they do not believe what they claim they believe.

On the Predictions Market such as Ireland’s iPredict, I successfully predicted, four years in a row, the past temperature increases and decreases. But it was like pulling teeth from the “It’s cooling!” clowns: I offered 9:1 odds and they still would not fork over money to support what they claimed to believe. I risked US$900 to get back US$1,000 and they still would not put up their money— excellent evidence they don’t believe what they claimed to believe.

The same is true for the “run your car on water” scam. I offered a US$1,000 prize (not a wager) to anyone who would let me test her or his car with a under-the-hood on-demand oxyhydrogen device (what the cult calls “HHO”) that shows improved fuel economy. I told, literally, thousands of “HHO” supporters about the prize; I contacted dozens of sellers of these devices; I had a score of YouTube videos about the prize. *NONE* of the sellers and promoters would let me test their device; none would let me give them my money. I begged; I pleaded; they refused to take my money. Eventually I took down my web site on the prize.

People who claim to believe humans are not causing climate change overwhelmingly don’t believe their claim. They make the claim out of venality and fear.

Sea level goes up and down

The tide come in and the tide goes out /snicker

Sorry Greg i Couldn’t help it – Billo’s comment was just bursting to get out as I read that 🙂

The new market paradigm failed because of the simple fact that none of the people making false claims believe they are true.

What a sublime way to show who the real frauds are – great idea

Taking into consideration the known and accepted ‘greenhouse effect’, which has a solid basis in physics, how can adding CO2 to the atmosphere over the last couple of centuries—raising concentrations from 280ppm to the current 400ppm—NOT have warmed the planet by the 0.7C we’ve seen over the same period?

I shall offer an analogy. If a person at the scene of a traffic accident tells you that the injured pedestrian lying in the road was hit by a passing bus that drove off; shouldn’t they—before being allowed to go into detailed descriptions of the bus—be required to provide a logical explanation for what caused the person-sized, bloody dent in the bonnet (hood) of their car?

@4. St. : “Mann is a fraud. Projection is at play here: the warmists believe others are like them.”

Really? What makes you say that? Seriously, what evidence do you have to back up that extraordinary claim there?

Do you not realise there’s already a defamation claim been tested in court on that exact malicious lie?

PS. Good deconstruction of a very bad arguement there, Greg Laden. Nicely done. I also love the picture chosen for Mann’s op-ed. Talk about Homer’s* “wine dark sea” there!

* Homer the original Hellenic poet and author of The Odyssey and Illiad works that is -these days most peopelassociate that name with the Simpsons I guess.

Sea level – Jerry Mitrovica Some surprises here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdY-ZezK7w

Geology – Dan Britt. Very entertaining, some surprises if you’re not familiar with this stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yze1YAz_LYM&hd=1