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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exactly which is why at large would be better. This almost falls into the category of &quot;ideas so good THEY don&#039;t want you to know about them&quot;

If reps were at large, constituencies, or SIGs, would grow to support them.  The strength of the SIG would  be exactly proportionate to the number of voters.  If a SIG had a reasonable amount of internal loyalty and consistence, it could be a very powerful voting block.  It would be true democracy.

Any individual could chose vote with any SIG so of course they would have to compete for ideas and loyalty (since the vote is secret).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly which is why at large would be better. This almost falls into the category of &#8220;ideas so good THEY don&#8217;t want you to know about them&#8221;</p>
<p>If reps were at large, constituencies, or SIGs, would grow to support them.  The strength of the SIG would  be exactly proportionate to the number of voters.  If a SIG had a reasonable amount of internal loyalty and consistence, it could be a very powerful voting block.  It would be true democracy.</p>
<p>Any individual could chose vote with any SIG so of course they would have to compete for ideas and loyalty (since the vote is secret).</p>
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		By: proximity1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@39

Greg,  Now I see the point you were making about districts.  You&#039;re right on that point, then and, apparently there&#039;s no (Contitutionally-based)  reason why states--even some subset  of them--couldn&#039;t elect all their  House of Rep. members &quot;at large&quot; and still keep a correspondence between number of voters per representative--as long as every state has a total population of at least one representative&#039;s worth of voters.

There&#039;s at least one practical consequence  if that method  was adopted:  we lose &quot;not only&quot; in &quot;fact&quot; but also in &quot;theory&quot; the idea that a particular representative is accountable to a defined set of voters--IOW, there&#039;d be only statewide &quot;constituencies&quot;, leaving each representative  open toan even easier and more  flagrant defiance of any minority&#039;s particular needs as long as, over the state as a whole, enough voters find that representative&#039;s votes not &lt;i&gt;so terrible&lt;/i&gt; as to warrant getting rid of him or her.   At this point in our democratic degradation, its hard to imagine how our present system could actually be worse.  But, here, by diluting representation across a state--think of California, for example--elected officials wouldn&#039;t even have to pretend to cater to voters&#039; (other than corporate donors-as-ersatz-voters) interests.  And, if those Reps.  still bothered to respond to letters of complaint from a minority interest which couldn&#039;t afford expensive lobbyists, all he or she would have to do is offer a cynical, &quot;Don&#039;t lilke it?  So, vote me out of office next time.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@39</p>
<p>Greg,  Now I see the point you were making about districts.  You&#8217;re right on that point, then and, apparently there&#8217;s no (Contitutionally-based)  reason why states&#8211;even some subset  of them&#8211;couldn&#8217;t elect all their  House of Rep. members &#8220;at large&#8221; and still keep a correspondence between number of voters per representative&#8211;as long as every state has a total population of at least one representative&#8217;s worth of voters.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s at least one practical consequence  if that method  was adopted:  we lose &#8220;not only&#8221; in &#8220;fact&#8221; but also in &#8220;theory&#8221; the idea that a particular representative is accountable to a defined set of voters&#8211;IOW, there&#8217;d be only statewide &#8220;constituencies&#8221;, leaving each representative  open toan even easier and more  flagrant defiance of any minority&#8217;s particular needs as long as, over the state as a whole, enough voters find that representative&#8217;s votes not <i>so terrible</i> as to warrant getting rid of him or her.   At this point in our democratic degradation, its hard to imagine how our present system could actually be worse.  But, here, by diluting representation across a state&#8211;think of California, for example&#8211;elected officials wouldn&#8217;t even have to pretend to cater to voters&#8217; (other than corporate donors-as-ersatz-voters) interests.  And, if those Reps.  still bothered to respond to letters of complaint from a minority interest which couldn&#8217;t afford expensive lobbyists, all he or she would have to do is offer a cynical, &#8220;Don&#8217;t lilke it?  So, vote me out of office next time.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/11/05/harry-potter-and-the-2014-election/#comment-484289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 04:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@proximity1 : Thanks for that info &#038; links.

Guess my question was kinda both those really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@proximity1 : Thanks for that info &amp; links.</p>
<p>Guess my question was kinda both those really.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[proximity1[37] I don&#039;t think that speaks to districts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proximity1[37] I don&#8217;t think that speaks to districts.</p>
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		By: proximity1		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@17:  Okay – but why? What’s the reason they do it that way? How is it a good idea?

Your question could be interpreted in either of two ways:

1)  Why did the original drafters decide as they did?
2) Why do we continue to do things (when we do them) the same way today.  Others above have offered answers to 2).  As for 1), see below, in James Madison&#039;s Notes on the Debates of the Convention.  E.g. @  June 19 - 21.

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 Text of James Madison&#039;s
 &lt;i&gt; Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 &lt;/i&gt;

 Links : June 19th: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_619.asp
 ................... 20th: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_620.asp
.................... 21st: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_621.asp]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17:  Okay – but why? What’s the reason they do it that way? How is it a good idea?</p>
<p>Your question could be interpreted in either of two ways:</p>
<p>1)  Why did the original drafters decide as they did?<br />
2) Why do we continue to do things (when we do them) the same way today.  Others above have offered answers to 2).  As for 1), see below, in James Madison&#8217;s Notes on the Debates of the Convention.  E.g. @  June 19 &#8211; 21.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
 Text of James Madison&#8217;s<br />
 <i> Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787 </i></p>
<p> Links : June 19th: <a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_619.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_619.asp</a><br />
 &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. 20th: <a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_620.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_620.asp</a><br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. 21st: <a href="http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_621.asp" rel="nofollow ugc">http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_621.asp</a></p>
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		By: proximity1		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/11/05/harry-potter-and-the-2014-election/#comment-484286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[proximity1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ 28:

The House of Representatives&#039;  proportional representation (a.k.a &quot;one perosn, one vote&quot;) is an essential feature of democracy ( which the Senate violates; and yes, that&#039;s just wrong, democratically speaking)  and established in both the Constitution&#039;s Article 1, Section 2, clause 3 and in case law from state and federal courts as well as acts of Congress.

  So, even in the U.S., states aren&#039;t supposed to be free to just arrange their election of U.S. House representative any old way they may like to see fit.   Of course, organized money has learned to simply buy out the entire weapon of democratic electoral politics and make it its own property--&quot;lock, stock and barrel.&quot;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment

http://www.census.gov/population/apportionment/about/history.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 28:</p>
<p>The House of Representatives&#8217;  proportional representation (a.k.a &#8220;one perosn, one vote&#8221;) is an essential feature of democracy ( which the Senate violates; and yes, that&#8217;s just wrong, democratically speaking)  and established in both the Constitution&#8217;s Article 1, Section 2, clause 3 and in case law from state and federal courts as well as acts of Congress.</p>
<p>  So, even in the U.S., states aren&#8217;t supposed to be free to just arrange their election of U.S. House representative any old way they may like to see fit.   Of course, organized money has learned to simply buy out the entire weapon of democratic electoral politics and make it its own property&#8211;&#8220;lock, stock and barrel.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.census.gov/population/apportionment/about/history.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.census.gov/population/apportionment/about/history.html</a></p>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/11/05/harry-potter-and-the-2014-election/#comment-484285</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierce R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2014 00:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm - Obviously, I&#039;m due for some re-reading of The Scriptures.

Maybe it&#039;ll be included in the curricula for the FEMA reeducation camps...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm &#8211; Obviously, I&#8217;m due for some re-reading of The Scriptures.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;ll be included in the curricula for the FEMA reeducation camps&#8230;</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/11/05/harry-potter-and-the-2014-election/#comment-484284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;.. what they were thinking no&quot;&lt;/i&gt; no = now. Typio, natch. I cannot type for merde, sorry.

Especially when I&#039;m really tired and tipsy after work, a few beers and stuff all sleep which is, well most days really and today no exception, sigh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;.. what they were thinking no&#8221;</i> no = now. Typio, natch. I cannot type for merde, sorry.</p>
<p>Especially when I&#8217;m really tired and tipsy after work, a few beers and stuff all sleep which is, well most days really and today no exception, sigh.</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ 20. Eric Lund &#038; #21. dhogaza : Thanks for that info too - much appreciated and I kinda see what they were thinking no although I&#039;m still not so sure its really worked. O&#039;course as earlier noted almost every system of governance has its flaws and we&#039;re still to find I think a truly ideal one.

Also my impression from HP is that very few if any wizarding families were really &quot;pure blood&quot; and that the best of them were certainly hybrids so yeah - and thanks again for all the extra stuff I&#039;ve learned just now. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 20. Eric Lund &amp; #21. dhogaza : Thanks for that info too &#8211; much appreciated and I kinda see what they were thinking no although I&#8217;m still not so sure its really worked. O&#8217;course as earlier noted almost every system of governance has its flaws and we&#8217;re still to find I think a truly ideal one.</p>
<p>Also my impression from HP is that very few if any wizarding families were really &#8220;pure blood&#8221; and that the best of them were certainly hybrids so yeah &#8211; and thanks again for all the extra stuff I&#8217;ve learned just now. 🙂</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@GregLaden #23 &#038; 24. Okay thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GregLaden #23 &amp; 24. Okay thanks.</p>
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