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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483929</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sure.  I usually think of the root of the word as regards &#039;consumerism&#039;: To consume, to use up -- hence throwing away after such use, which leads to the short lifespan of things in &quot;modern society&quot;.

Contrast the way we design, produce, and use things with an earlier age, perhaps termed the &quot;craftsmanship&quot; age.  In that time, considerable care was put into making things so that they were durable, serviceable, and aesthetically pleasing (&quot;useless ornamentation&quot; is probably how it would be viewed by today&#039;s manufacturing houses).

&quot;Consumers&quot; used those items, but didn&#039;t &quot;consume&quot; them.  Today, it&#039;s buy, consume, throw away: the packaging, the item, etc. -- then go buy another, leading to more senseless manufacturing of landfill items and more CO2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure.  I usually think of the root of the word as regards &#8216;consumerism&#8217;: To consume, to use up &#8212; hence throwing away after such use, which leads to the short lifespan of things in &#8220;modern society&#8221;.</p>
<p>Contrast the way we design, produce, and use things with an earlier age, perhaps termed the &#8220;craftsmanship&#8221; age.  In that time, considerable care was put into making things so that they were durable, serviceable, and aesthetically pleasing (&#8220;useless ornamentation&#8221; is probably how it would be viewed by today&#8217;s manufacturing houses).</p>
<p>&#8220;Consumers&#8221; used those items, but didn&#8217;t &#8220;consume&#8221; them.  Today, it&#8217;s buy, consume, throw away: the packaging, the item, etc. &#8212; then go buy another, leading to more senseless manufacturing of landfill items and more CO2.</p>
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		By: Rob Honeycutt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Honeycutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the better way to put it would be, cut back on the short-lifespan disposable nature of consumerism. That&#039;s an element of efficiency and one of the cheapest, most readily available means to curb greenhouse gas emissions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the better way to put it would be, cut back on the short-lifespan disposable nature of consumerism. That&#8217;s an element of efficiency and one of the cheapest, most readily available means to curb greenhouse gas emissions.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[James, it&#039;s cheaper and often &#039;greener&#039; to recycle materials (&quot;our pollution&quot;) than to produce replacements.  If we instead bought brand new items from China, that would add more CO2 to the atmosphere.  It&#039;s a matter of efficiency.  Better would be to cut back on consumerism, but we all know what a firestorm THAT suggestion would cause!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, it&#8217;s cheaper and often &#8216;greener&#8217; to recycle materials (&#8220;our pollution&#8221;) than to produce replacements.  If we instead bought brand new items from China, that would add more CO2 to the atmosphere.  It&#8217;s a matter of efficiency.  Better would be to cut back on consumerism, but we all know what a firestorm THAT suggestion would cause!</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If CO2 is such a problem, then why do we send our pollution to China?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If CO2 is such a problem, then why do we send our pollution to China?</p>
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		By: Astrostevo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Astrostevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Deniers! Deny this! :

http://www.upworthy.com/they-took-a-camera-to-a-remote-area-in-greenland-and-what-they-recorded-is-simply-terrifying?c=huf1

Really, just try. (On second thoughts, don&#039;t. Try maybe looking and listening and understanding and researching properly from the perspective of actual climatologists and actual scientific observations instead please.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Deniers! Deny this! :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.upworthy.com/they-took-a-camera-to-a-remote-area-in-greenland-and-what-they-recorded-is-simply-terrifying?c=huf1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.upworthy.com/they-took-a-camera-to-a-remote-area-in-greenland-and-what-they-recorded-is-simply-terrifying?c=huf1</a></p>
<p>Really, just try. (On second thoughts, don&#8217;t. Try maybe looking and listening and understanding and researching properly from the perspective of actual climatologists and actual scientific observations instead please.)</p>
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		By: Elsdon Ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elsdon Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg

As a non scientist, reading through these comments I am delighted that you are in fact &#039;God&#039; in this - a God who does not mince his words and also able to properly judge inappropriate remarks and people. This has the effect of limiting the messages to the facts, taking away all of the  nut elements. But more importantly it does not do away with the emotion, the constructive arguments and criticism. It is frightening to note the extent of madness in what is goes for rational humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>As a non scientist, reading through these comments I am delighted that you are in fact &#8216;God&#8217; in this &#8211; a God who does not mince his words and also able to properly judge inappropriate remarks and people. This has the effect of limiting the messages to the facts, taking away all of the  nut elements. But more importantly it does not do away with the emotion, the constructive arguments and criticism. It is frightening to note the extent of madness in what is goes for rational humanity.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483922&quot;&gt;D Swann&lt;/a&gt;.

D Swann: You keep using this word, &quot;ad hominem&quot; but I don&#039;t think it means what you think it means.

Goddard has nothing to contribute to the conversation. I am not suggesting he&#039;s wrong because he is a creepy stalky jerk.  His rhetoric on AGW is so abysmally bad and utterly made up that his arguments do not require further evaluation.  He is, however, obnoxious and that is a simple statement of fact, not an argument about his arguments.

You, D Swann, are a sock puppet (often known as &quot;corrector&quot; but a few other names as well). Which puts you in the ban bin as well.  Bye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483922">D Swann</a>.</p>
<p>D Swann: You keep using this word, &#8220;ad hominem&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think it means what you think it means.</p>
<p>Goddard has nothing to contribute to the conversation. I am not suggesting he&#8217;s wrong because he is a creepy stalky jerk.  His rhetoric on AGW is so abysmally bad and utterly made up that his arguments do not require further evaluation.  He is, however, obnoxious and that is a simple statement of fact, not an argument about his arguments.</p>
<p>You, D Swann, are a sock puppet (often known as &#8220;corrector&#8221; but a few other names as well). Which puts you in the ban bin as well.  Bye.</p>
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		By: D Swann		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483922</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D Swann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Creepy.... offensive and threatening&quot;?

&quot;A smarmy and obnoxious realty&quot;? (Does he sell condos?)

Jeez, #18 - you provoked a few ad hominems there, dude.

Best just go back to analyzing the science of &#039;warmness&#039;, eh?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Creepy&#8230;. offensive and threatening&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;A smarmy and obnoxious realty&#8221;? (Does he sell condos?)</p>
<p>Jeez, #18 &#8211; you provoked a few ad hominems there, dude.</p>
<p>Best just go back to analyzing the science of &#8216;warmness&#8217;, eh?</p>
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		By: Harry Twinotter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/13/we-just-had-the-warmest-september-on-record/#comment-483921</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Twinotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NOAA temps data due out around the 22nd October. It always seems to get the most headlines.

I am sure if 2014 is deemed the hottest year on record the deniers will just trot out that computer program they use to find zero trends in noisy monthly TLT temperature values, although it must be getting difficult to get even that trick to work.

Does Goddard go around trying to average raw/unhomogenized temp values? I have seen this attempted on Australian BOM temp values.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOAA temps data due out around the 22nd October. It always seems to get the most headlines.</p>
<p>I am sure if 2014 is deemed the hottest year on record the deniers will just trot out that computer program they use to find zero trends in noisy monthly TLT temperature values, although it must be getting difficult to get even that trick to work.</p>
<p>Does Goddard go around trying to average raw/unhomogenized temp values? I have seen this attempted on Australian BOM temp values.</p>
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		By: cabc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cabc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Goddard is a conspiracy theorist through and through.  Nothing about him has any place in any discussion of science anywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goddard is a conspiracy theorist through and through.  Nothing about him has any place in any discussion of science anywhere.</p>
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