Comments on: What is the role of the deep ocean in global warming? Climate science deniers get this wrong. https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/ Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:38:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Astrostevo https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483742 Tue, 21 Oct 2014 06:38:49 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483742 @324. Theo : ““The bottom line is that uncertainties in ocean heat content are very large, ..”

You realise that this large uncertainty cuts both ways don’t you? That it could mean there’s actually more heat there than thought and the climate models and predictions are actually too conservative and are underestimating (not overestimating) the scope of the problem?

The more rapid than expected decline in Arctic sea ice melting is one powerful indicator that this could well be the case.*

Meanwhile, anecdata really but of pertinence here, today has seen a record four consecutive October days over 32 degrees celsius (89.6 Fahrenheit) in my home city of Adelaide South Australia. This is part of a noticeable trend which makes my life among others distinctly worse – already.

* “I like ice also as an indicator of climate change for its political neutrality. Ice asks no questions, presents no arguments, reads no newspapers, listens to no debates. It is not burdened by ideology and carries no political baggage as it crosses the threshold from solid to liquid. It just melts.”

– Dr Henry Pollack, geophysicist, University of Michigan.

Source : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-wbzK4v7GsM

Watts Up with Sea Ice? Youtube video by Greenman3610 esp. 1 minute 14 secs to 1 minute 51 seconds.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483741 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:02:24 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483741 In reply to Theo.

Theo, there is a huge corpus of evidence that the “missing heat” is in the ocean. Curry has misread the data. On top of that she’s suggested that the abyss is cooling, when the numbers do not show that at all. The deniers are not strawmen, they are real, and they are doing something morally very very wrong.

]]> By: Theo https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483740 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:56:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483740 Author seems to be projecting a strawman of ‘deniers’.
Curry only says the obvious, and does not claim this disproves AGW
http://judithcurry.com/2014/10/05/evidence-of-deep-ocean-cooling/
“The bottom line is that uncertainties in ocean heat content are very large, and there is no particularly convincing evidence that the ‘missing heat’ is hiding in the ocean..

]]> By: Shub Niggurath https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483739 Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:37:31 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483739 BBD, it was one of your wink wink comments that alerted me to Mr Russell’s meat-puppetry, thanks!

]]> By: jane https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483738 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:38:23 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483738 Rob writes: “Says the guy named “Shub Niggurath?” Is this some form of ironical attempt humor [sic]?”

Well, she does have a thousand kids. Talk about a carbon footprint! Ba-dum-bump.

]]> By: BBD https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483737 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:35:43 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483737 Oh look! There’s another one.

]]> By: Shub Niggurath https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483736 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 16:36:04 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483736 Oh poor BBD, with the clanking armour. Did you ride in on a white pony?

]]> By: BBD https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483735 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:09:22 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483735 Rob

Geronim[o] is just a conspiracy theorist crank from Bishop Hill. Save your breath. You’ve expended enough energy with the ridiculous Brad and his half-dozen hobby horses that he rides around whenever he’s given the chance.

]]> By: Rob Honeycutt https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483734 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:00:07 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483734 geronim… “seems bemused that we have become so wealthy that we’ve spawned millions of guilt ridden progressives who want to destroy that wealth…”

Yeesh! Now you’re just off the wall.

]]> By: Rob Honeycutt https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/10/07/what-is-the-role-of-the-deep-ocean-in-global-warming-climate-science-deniers-get-this-wrong/#comment-483733 Fri, 17 Oct 2014 14:57:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=20463#comment-483733 geronim… “The second one is the 2% of GDP issue. You really aren’t getting this are you? It isn’t about saving the planet…”

No, I’m sorry but you don’t get it. Go read a couple hundred research papers on the actual science. This is about the fact that we are potentially creating a massive climate crisis. And the point is, the earlier we deal with this, the less it’s going to cost us.

If we wait, then what you are afraid of most (authoritarianism) is going to be the result because it will be at a crisis level where you won’t have any choice.

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