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		By: Audrey Miller		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Audrey Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really like the idea of putting a solar power in the car park. Solar power systems derive clean, pure energy from the sun. When you install solar panels on your home, you help to combat greenhouse gas emissions and global warming and reduce our collective dependence on fossil fuel. Thank you for sharing this. I hope many people will inspire in this post. http://arizonaaccurate.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the idea of putting a solar power in the car park. Solar power systems derive clean, pure energy from the sun. When you install solar panels on your home, you help to combat greenhouse gas emissions and global warming and reduce our collective dependence on fossil fuel. Thank you for sharing this. I hope many people will inspire in this post. <a href="http://arizonaaccurate.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://arizonaaccurate.com/</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden Illustrates the Case For a Carbon Tax - Windypundit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden Illustrates the Case For a Carbon Tax - Windypundit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2014 01:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Science blogger Greg Laden is having trouble figuring out whether or not to install a solar electric power system in his home. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Science blogger Greg Laden is having trouble figuring out whether or not to install a solar electric power system in his home. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: climatehawk1		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/27/thinking-big-about-clean-energy/#comment-482781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[climatehawk1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/27/thinking-big-about-clean-energy/#comment-482780&quot;&gt;Howard Johnson&lt;/a&gt;.

Huh, nice to know. We have a Mitsubishi EV that is about 1.5 years old. No issues so far.  Seems to get about the same mileage w/ charge. We did do deep discharge twice so far, as recommended by mfr.  With trade-in, cost of car was $12k, financed at 0%.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/27/thinking-big-about-clean-energy/#comment-482780">Howard Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>Huh, nice to know. We have a Mitsubishi EV that is about 1.5 years old. No issues so far.  Seems to get about the same mileage w/ charge. We did do deep discharge twice so far, as recommended by mfr.  With trade-in, cost of car was $12k, financed at 0%.</p>
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		By: Howard Johnson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob, Leaf batteries are being replaced now.
http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-battery-swap-under-warranty-video/
I have a Phoenix friend that has a 3 year old Leaf and Nissan called him in to replace his Leaf battery FOR FREE...And they did....He was down to getting 80miles with a charge and now gets 120.... He drives all over Phoenix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, Leaf batteries are being replaced now.<br />
<a href="http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-battery-swap-under-warranty-video/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-battery-swap-under-warranty-video/</a><br />
I have a Phoenix friend that has a 3 year old Leaf and Nissan called him in to replace his Leaf battery FOR FREE&#8230;And they did&#8230;.He was down to getting 80miles with a charge and now gets 120&#8230;. He drives all over Phoenix.</p>
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		By: Raucous Indignation		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/27/thinking-big-about-clean-energy/#comment-482779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raucous Indignation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We also need to put a lot of carbon back in the ground. I&#039;ve planted a number of giant redwoods. I&#039;m hoping they&#039;ll put a few thousand tons of carbon back in the ecosystem over the next 100 years or so.

Converting some of that carbon into an inert material isn&#039;t a bad idea either : http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130204220840.htm .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also need to put a lot of carbon back in the ground. I&#8217;ve planted a number of giant redwoods. I&#8217;m hoping they&#8217;ll put a few thousand tons of carbon back in the ecosystem over the next 100 years or so.</p>
<p>Converting some of that carbon into an inert material isn&#8217;t a bad idea either : <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130204220840.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130204220840.htm</a> .</p>
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		By: Rob Honeycutt		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/27/thinking-big-about-clean-energy/#comment-482778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Honeycutt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 17:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew Dodds @13...   I can&#039;t find any specific links at the moment but one of the things I remember reading recently was saying that, once EV batteries become unusable for a car, they still have potential for use for exactly what you&#039;re describing. You install them in your home somewhere, charge them during the day and run you home during peak demand hours. It might not get you 100% off grid, but you&#039;d certainly be closer.

EV&#039;s are so new at this point, we&#039;re some years out from seeing this happen. We&#039;re still probably 5+ years out from seeing the first Leaf batteries that need replacement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Dodds @13&#8230;   I can&#8217;t find any specific links at the moment but one of the things I remember reading recently was saying that, once EV batteries become unusable for a car, they still have potential for use for exactly what you&#8217;re describing. You install them in your home somewhere, charge them during the day and run you home during peak demand hours. It might not get you 100% off grid, but you&#8217;d certainly be closer.</p>
<p>EV&#8217;s are so new at this point, we&#8217;re some years out from seeing this happen. We&#8217;re still probably 5+ years out from seeing the first Leaf batteries that need replacement.</p>
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		By: Andrew Dodds		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Dodds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 13:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just coming up to the 3-year anniversary of our panels.  8MWh so far..

One thing I&#039;d like to see available is a partial-off-grid solution.  This would be something like a 1kW max, 4kWh system that could run all the lighting and low power devices for a house (In our house, everything outside the kitchen).  It would charge between 8am and 4pm, using solar power, and power the house the rest of the time.  This would be great for power cuts, and also mean you took less from the grid overall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just coming up to the 3-year anniversary of our panels.  8MWh so far..</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;d like to see available is a partial-off-grid solution.  This would be something like a 1kW max, 4kWh system that could run all the lighting and low power devices for a house (In our house, everything outside the kitchen).  It would charge between 8am and 4pm, using solar power, and power the house the rest of the time.  This would be great for power cuts, and also mean you took less from the grid overall.</p>
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		By: Tom Kimmerer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Kimmerer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, that&#039;s true (#9). Even here in coal-addicted Kentucky, which lags well behind the nation in both efficiency and renewables, I can buy renewable energy for a $15/month premium. I do it mostly because when I promote renewable energy, I don&#039;t have to deal with the &quot;put up or shut up&quot; argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, that&#8217;s true (#9). Even here in coal-addicted Kentucky, which lags well behind the nation in both efficiency and renewables, I can buy renewable energy for a $15/month premium. I do it mostly because when I promote renewable energy, I don&#8217;t have to deal with the &#8220;put up or shut up&#8221; argument.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Or you could have your own windmill!”

While rooftop solar can make sense, rooftop wind does not. In the case of both wind and solar, utility-scale solutions often make more sense than doing it yourself. The best wind resources are located at higher altitudes, and in Denmark the taller turbines with longer blades that have been installed since 2008 produce 50% more energy than their predecessors.
http://ing.dk/artikel/laengere-vinger-og-hoejere-vindmoeller-oeger-energiudbyttet-med-50-pct-170944

While technologies for solar are still evolving,

(One new example: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/28/solar-energy-sunflower-ibm-airlight-electricity )

alternatives to the standard three bladed horizontal axis wind turbine (HAWT) have not led anywhere. Rooftop wind doesn&#039;t produce enough energy to justify the cost and can, in fact, destroy the roof it&#039;s mounted on. Vertical-axis-wind-turbines (VAWTs) don&#039;t produce enough energy and are subject to stresses that can cause them to break down. They have never proved themselves to be commercially viable.

http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Homeowners/An%20Open%20Letter%20to%20Inventors.pdf
http://barnardonwind.com/2013/02/23/why-arent-vertical-axis-wind-turbines-more- popular/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/nyregion/turbines-pop-up-on-new-york-roofs-along-
with-questions-of-efficiency.html?ref=todayspaper&#038;_r=0
http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/vertical-axis-wind-turbines-
zmaz08fmzmcc.aspx
http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php? id=398&#038;tx_ttnews[tt_news]=137&#038;cHash=bce4d8017b9a204d47f82fec725f72d7
http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php? id=399&#038;tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2535&#038;cHash=05835e46d90b73bb0b734dee3800a9b6
http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=116
In my opinion, putting up one&#039;s own wind turbine would only make sense under off grid conditions in which (rooftop) solar wasn&#039;t an option. Also, it would only make sense if the available wind resource was good, and if the turbine could be raised so much above surrounding trees and structures, that it could avoid turbulence and have access to stable wind resources.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Or you could have your own windmill!”</p>
<p>While rooftop solar can make sense, rooftop wind does not. In the case of both wind and solar, utility-scale solutions often make more sense than doing it yourself. The best wind resources are located at higher altitudes, and in Denmark the taller turbines with longer blades that have been installed since 2008 produce 50% more energy than their predecessors.<br />
<a href="http://ing.dk/artikel/laengere-vinger-og-hoejere-vindmoeller-oeger-energiudbyttet-med-50-pct-170944" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ing.dk/artikel/laengere-vinger-og-hoejere-vindmoeller-oeger-energiudbyttet-med-50-pct-170944</a></p>
<p>While technologies for solar are still evolving,</p>
<p>(One new example: <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/28/solar-energy-sunflower-ibm-airlight-electricity" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/28/solar-energy-sunflower-ibm-airlight-electricity</a> )</p>
<p>alternatives to the standard three bladed horizontal axis wind turbine (HAWT) have not led anywhere. Rooftop wind doesn&#8217;t produce enough energy to justify the cost and can, in fact, destroy the roof it&#8217;s mounted on. Vertical-axis-wind-turbines (VAWTs) don&#8217;t produce enough energy and are subject to stresses that can cause them to break down. They have never proved themselves to be commercially viable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Homeowners/An%20Open%20Letter%20to%20Inventors.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Homeowners/An%20Open%20Letter%20to%20Inventors.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://barnardonwind.com/2013/02/23/why-arent-vertical-axis-wind-turbines-more-" rel="nofollow ugc">http://barnardonwind.com/2013/02/23/why-arent-vertical-axis-wind-turbines-more-</a> popular/<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/nyregion/turbines-pop-up-on-new-york-roofs-along-" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/nyregion/turbines-pop-up-on-new-york-roofs-along-</a><br />
with-questions-of-efficiency.html?ref=todayspaper&amp;_r=0<br />
<a href="http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/vertical-axis-wind-turbines-" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/vertical-axis-wind-turbines-</a><br />
zmaz08fmzmcc.aspx<br />
<a href="http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php</a>? id=398&amp;tx_ttnews[tt_news]=137&amp;cHash=bce4d8017b9a204d47f82fec725f72d7<br />
<a href="http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php</a>? id=399&amp;tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2535&amp;cHash=05835e46d90b73bb0b734dee3800a9b6<br />
<a href="http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=116" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wind-works.org/cms/index.php?id=116</a><br />
In my opinion, putting up one&#8217;s own wind turbine would only make sense under off grid conditions in which (rooftop) solar wasn&#8217;t an option. Also, it would only make sense if the available wind resource was good, and if the turbine could be raised so much above surrounding trees and structures, that it could avoid turbulence and have access to stable wind resources.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“In some places, the proportion of the power on your grid that is being produced by wind or solar is due to hit 20% or even 40% very soon.”

In the first 6 months of 2014 we got 41.2% of our electricity from wind. In January, 61.7%.
http://ing.dk/artikel/rekord-vindmoeller-leverede-412-pct-af-danskernes-elforbrug-i-foerste-halvaar-170541

The Danish Energy Agency found that onshore wind was the cheapest way to add electricity generation.
http://ing.dk/artikel/energistyrelsen-vindmoeller-paa-land-giver-den-billigste-el-169674

Evidently, at least for now, conditions in Minnesota are similar:

“Cheap steel and more efficient turbines have made wind the low-cost power source here...
&#039;We’re adding 750 megawatts of wind in the next couple of years, and we’re getting that for a price that’s below the competing alternatives,&#039; said Frank Prager, the vice president for environmental policy at Xcel Energy.
Bill Grant, the deputy commissioner of Minnesota’s Commerce Department, said he believed that the federal tax credit for wind-energy projects was increasingly irrelevant. &#039;My hunch is, given prices right now, we’d be building wind with or without the subsidy,&#039; he said.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/us/politics/without-much-straining-minnesota-reins-in-
its-utilities-carbon-emissions.html?ref=todayspaper

For those who may be interested, below is a list of NREL maps of U.S. wind, solar, and geothermal resources.
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/80m_wind/awstwspd80onoffbigC3-3dpi600.jpg
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/100m_wind/awstwspd100onoff3-1.jpg
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_pv/national_photovoltaic_2012-01.jpg
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_csp/national_concentrating_solar_2012-01.jpg
http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/geothermal_resource2009-final.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In some places, the proportion of the power on your grid that is being produced by wind or solar is due to hit 20% or even 40% very soon.”</p>
<p>In the first 6 months of 2014 we got 41.2% of our electricity from wind. In January, 61.7%.<br />
<a href="http://ing.dk/artikel/rekord-vindmoeller-leverede-412-pct-af-danskernes-elforbrug-i-foerste-halvaar-170541" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ing.dk/artikel/rekord-vindmoeller-leverede-412-pct-af-danskernes-elforbrug-i-foerste-halvaar-170541</a></p>
<p>The Danish Energy Agency found that onshore wind was the cheapest way to add electricity generation.<br />
<a href="http://ing.dk/artikel/energistyrelsen-vindmoeller-paa-land-giver-den-billigste-el-169674" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ing.dk/artikel/energistyrelsen-vindmoeller-paa-land-giver-den-billigste-el-169674</a></p>
<p>Evidently, at least for now, conditions in Minnesota are similar:</p>
<p>“Cheap steel and more efficient turbines have made wind the low-cost power source here&#8230;<br />
&#8216;We’re adding 750 megawatts of wind in the next couple of years, and we’re getting that for a price that’s below the competing alternatives,&#8217; said Frank Prager, the vice president for environmental policy at Xcel Energy.<br />
Bill Grant, the deputy commissioner of Minnesota’s Commerce Department, said he believed that the federal tax credit for wind-energy projects was increasingly irrelevant. &#8216;My hunch is, given prices right now, we’d be building wind with or without the subsidy,&#8217; he said.”<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/us/politics/without-much-straining-minnesota-reins-in-" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/us/politics/without-much-straining-minnesota-reins-in-</a><br />
its-utilities-carbon-emissions.html?ref=todayspaper</p>
<p>For those who may be interested, below is a list of NREL maps of U.S. wind, solar, and geothermal resources.<br />
<a href="http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/80m_wind/awstwspd80onoffbigC3-3dpi600.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/80m_wind/awstwspd80onoffbigC3-3dpi600.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/100m_wind/awstwspd100onoff3-1.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/100m_wind/awstwspd100onoff3-1.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_pv/national_photovoltaic_2012-01.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_pv/national_photovoltaic_2012-01.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_csp/national_concentrating_solar_2012-01.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/eere_csp/national_concentrating_solar_2012-01.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/geothermal_resource2009-final.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nrel.gov/gis/images/geothermal_resource2009-final.jpg</a></p>
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