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	Comments on: BP/DOE&#039;s Koonin: Anthropogenic Global Warming is Real, Important, and Must Be Addressed	</title>
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		By: On eve of climate march, Wall Street Journal publishes call to wait and do nothing &#124; Climate Science Watch		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482241</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[On eve of climate march, Wall Street Journal publishes call to wait and do nothing &#124; Climate Science Watch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2015 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] See also: BP/DOE’s Koonin: Anthropogenic Global Warming is Real, Important, and Must Be Addressed [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] See also: BP/DOE’s Koonin: Anthropogenic Global Warming is Real, Important, and Must Be Addressed [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482240</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction:
&quot;The founder and director of that blog...&quot;   ?   of that website...

The following relates directly to Koonin&#039;s WSJ op-ed and to Piltz&#039;s broader project:

     &quot;My project, and whatever contribution it makes, is primarily aimed at government accountability in national policymaking. I have an analysis and an approach for doing that, and Climate Science Watch is the vehicle via which I and various collaborators express that...
    Of course there are many important scientific questions about the physical climate system to research... But this is not a science education and debate site, and the discourse about unresolved research issues on the physical climate system are well-argued in many other venues by people with serious qualifications.
    But when Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal put out a piece with a “take no action” slant on the eve of a big UN climate summit and climate movement rally, I take what the WSJ is doing as essentially a political gesture. They print only ‘skeptic’ or ‘contrarian’ pieces, there’s no real balance in their coverage, they are trying to frame a political narrative for the corporate elite. When there’s an opportunity to post something with an alternative view, that raises questions about what they’ve published, I can do that. I don’t have to be able to resolve the science issues in order to do it.”
http://rabett.blogspot.dk/2014/10/rick-piltz-of-climate-science-watch-has.html

Climate Science Watch has had extensive coverage of the attacks on Michael Mann and the ensuing legal proceedings. It&#039;s offered essential information about the Harper government&#039;s attacks on science in Canada. And much more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction:<br />
&#8220;The founder and director of that blog&#8230;&#8221;   ?   of that website&#8230;</p>
<p>The following relates directly to Koonin&#8217;s WSJ op-ed and to Piltz&#8217;s broader project:</p>
<p>     &#8220;My project, and whatever contribution it makes, is primarily aimed at government accountability in national policymaking. I have an analysis and an approach for doing that, and Climate Science Watch is the vehicle via which I and various collaborators express that&#8230;<br />
    Of course there are many important scientific questions about the physical climate system to research&#8230; But this is not a science education and debate site, and the discourse about unresolved research issues on the physical climate system are well-argued in many other venues by people with serious qualifications.<br />
    But when Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal put out a piece with a “take no action” slant on the eve of a big UN climate summit and climate movement rally, I take what the WSJ is doing as essentially a political gesture. They print only ‘skeptic’ or ‘contrarian’ pieces, there’s no real balance in their coverage, they are trying to frame a political narrative for the corporate elite. When there’s an opportunity to post something with an alternative view, that raises questions about what they’ve published, I can do that. I don’t have to be able to resolve the science issues in order to do it.”<br />
<a href="http://rabett.blogspot.dk/2014/10/rick-piltz-of-climate-science-watch-has.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://rabett.blogspot.dk/2014/10/rick-piltz-of-climate-science-watch-has.html</a></p>
<p>Climate Science Watch has had extensive coverage of the attacks on Michael Mann and the ensuing legal proceedings. It&#8217;s offered essential information about the Harper government&#8217;s attacks on science in Canada. And much more.</p>
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		By: cosmicomics		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cosmicomics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like many other good posts, this one contains a link to Climate Science Watch. The founder and director of that blog, Rick Piltz, passed away on Saturday. He was highly respected for his courage and his dedication to truth. I hope that Greg will write a post about Piltz and what he stood for, and whether the blog will continue without him. Until then:

&quot;Last weekend, the country lost a public servant and altruist named Rick Piltz.

Mr. Piltz was a government whistleblower who documented how the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency systematically misled the public, downplaying the certainty of climate change in U.S. science reports.

He produced a rare, detailed case study in how the fossil fuel industry turns our government against the public in order to make more money for itself. Himself an employee of the U.S. EPA during the George W Bush administration, Mr. Piltz worked among industry lobbyists who were placed into regulatory position overseeing their former employers.

These lobbyists included people like Jeff Holmstead, who continues lobbying against climate regulations for the coal industry, and Phil Cooney, who was plucked from the American Petroleum Institute and placed into the Bush EPA.

Rick Piltz exposed Cooney’s hand-written manipulation of the U.S. government’s climate change science reports. This scandal forced Cooney out of the EPA and back into the oil industry as an employee of ExxonMobil. Piltz’s actions earned him the 2006 Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling.

After leaving EPA, Rick Piltz created Climate Science Watch, which allowed him to counter campaigns to deny climate science and promote scientifically valid viewpoints on global warming.

He died early last Saturday morning, October 18th, after a fight with cancer.

Rick Piltz did what too few in government are willing to do, withstanding immense social and professional pressure to show taxpayers that their government was working for private interests, against the public, on public funds.&quot;
http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2014/10/20/remembering-rick-piltz-whistleblower-climate-science-advocate/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many other good posts, this one contains a link to Climate Science Watch. The founder and director of that blog, Rick Piltz, passed away on Saturday. He was highly respected for his courage and his dedication to truth. I hope that Greg will write a post about Piltz and what he stood for, and whether the blog will continue without him. Until then:</p>
<p>&#8220;Last weekend, the country lost a public servant and altruist named Rick Piltz.</p>
<p>Mr. Piltz was a government whistleblower who documented how the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency systematically misled the public, downplaying the certainty of climate change in U.S. science reports.</p>
<p>He produced a rare, detailed case study in how the fossil fuel industry turns our government against the public in order to make more money for itself. Himself an employee of the U.S. EPA during the George W Bush administration, Mr. Piltz worked among industry lobbyists who were placed into regulatory position overseeing their former employers.</p>
<p>These lobbyists included people like Jeff Holmstead, who continues lobbying against climate regulations for the coal industry, and Phil Cooney, who was plucked from the American Petroleum Institute and placed into the Bush EPA.</p>
<p>Rick Piltz exposed Cooney’s hand-written manipulation of the U.S. government’s climate change science reports. This scandal forced Cooney out of the EPA and back into the oil industry as an employee of ExxonMobil. Piltz’s actions earned him the 2006 Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling.</p>
<p>After leaving EPA, Rick Piltz created Climate Science Watch, which allowed him to counter campaigns to deny climate science and promote scientifically valid viewpoints on global warming.</p>
<p>He died early last Saturday morning, October 18th, after a fight with cancer.</p>
<p>Rick Piltz did what too few in government are willing to do, withstanding immense social and professional pressure to show taxpayers that their government was working for private interests, against the public, on public funds.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2014/10/20/remembering-rick-piltz-whistleblower-climate-science-advocate/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://greenpeaceblogs.org/2014/10/20/remembering-rick-piltz-whistleblower-climate-science-advocate/</a></p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 03:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question is, &quot;What does &#039;climate sensitivity&#039; mean, and how does it relate to climate change?&quot;

Sometimes we&#039;re a little too close to the trees, when someone wants to get a little info about the forest...  :^)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question is, &#8220;What does &#8216;climate sensitivity&#8217; mean, and how does it relate to climate change?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes we&#8217;re a little too close to the trees, when someone wants to get a little info about the forest&#8230;  :^)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482236&quot;&gt;Jody B.&lt;/a&gt;.

Jody, the graphic is of various estimates of climate sensitivity.  Like it says on the graphic.

I will be happy to provide you with more information about that but you seem to have gone off in a snit.

This is not an ideal post for students.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482236">Jody B.</a>.</p>
<p>Jody, the graphic is of various estimates of climate sensitivity.  Like it says on the graphic.</p>
<p>I will be happy to provide you with more information about that but you seem to have gone off in a snit.</p>
<p>This is not an ideal post for students.</p>
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		By: Jody B.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jody B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am looking for reading material for my students.  I was linked to this post from Climate Science Watch.  I will not be recommending your post if only because I have no idea what the meaning or relevance of the figure is.  Why post it, unless you are trying to impress/bamboozle rather than enlighten?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for reading material for my students.  I was linked to this post from Climate Science Watch.  I will not be recommending your post if only because I have no idea what the meaning or relevance of the figure is.  Why post it, unless you are trying to impress/bamboozle rather than enlighten?</p>
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		By: Dr. Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The interesting thing is that if Koonin had taken a pro-climate change view, his former position in the Obama administration and as provost at Caltech would have been touted as credibility assets by the true believers. As pointed out by dan-O, the poor fidelity of numerical climatological models is a big deal. Those of us who have spent a good part of our careers in numerical modeling with vastly simpler coupled linear differential equations know how difficult it is to accurately model real world phenomena, provide sufficient fidelity of the answers, and to convincingly verify the results. The fact that Koonin is a physicist and not a climatologist does not change this basic fact. Negative blog comments bad-mouthing WSJ, BP, Murdoch, and Wall Street do not help the conversation or convince anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing is that if Koonin had taken a pro-climate change view, his former position in the Obama administration and as provost at Caltech would have been touted as credibility assets by the true believers. As pointed out by dan-O, the poor fidelity of numerical climatological models is a big deal. Those of us who have spent a good part of our careers in numerical modeling with vastly simpler coupled linear differential equations know how difficult it is to accurately model real world phenomena, provide sufficient fidelity of the answers, and to convincingly verify the results. The fact that Koonin is a physicist and not a climatologist does not change this basic fact. Negative blog comments bad-mouthing WSJ, BP, Murdoch, and Wall Street do not help the conversation or convince anyone.</p>
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		By: dan-O		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/20/bpdoes-koonin-anthropogenic-global-warming-is-real-important-and-must-be-addressed/#comment-482234</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dan-O]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;&#062; He seems to be suggesting that we should do nothing.

I have been looking at right-of-center blogs&#039; reaction to this article, and left-of-center blogs&#039; reaction to this article. This line seems to be a common refrain of the lefty blogs. Where do you get this idea? The entire point of the article is this: Climate Science isn&#039;t a &quot;Hoax&quot;. Also, it isn&#039;t &quot;Settled&quot;, and questioning assumptions doesn&#039;t make one a &quot;Denier&quot;.

As far as what to do, he actually lays out what he believes to be the criteria: &quot;But climate strategies beyond such &quot;no regrets&quot; efforts carry costs, risks and questions of effectiveness, so nonscientific factors inevitably enter the decision. These include our tolerance for risk and the priorities that we assign to economic development, poverty reduction, environmental quality, and intergenerational and geographical equity.&quot;

&#062;&#062;&#062; They [climate models] actually work pretty well. He deosn’t seem to know that.

Actually, they very famously *don&#039;t* work very well. As evidenced by the fact that they didn&#039;t predict the current slowing rate of warming over the past decade or so. This doesn&#039;t mean they are useless. It doesn&#039;t mean that it is a &quot;hoax&quot;. It just means that there are some issues that need to be resolved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; He seems to be suggesting that we should do nothing.</p>
<p>I have been looking at right-of-center blogs&#8217; reaction to this article, and left-of-center blogs&#8217; reaction to this article. This line seems to be a common refrain of the lefty blogs. Where do you get this idea? The entire point of the article is this: Climate Science isn&#8217;t a &#8220;Hoax&#8221;. Also, it isn&#8217;t &#8220;Settled&#8221;, and questioning assumptions doesn&#8217;t make one a &#8220;Denier&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as what to do, he actually lays out what he believes to be the criteria: &#8220;But climate strategies beyond such &#8220;no regrets&#8221; efforts carry costs, risks and questions of effectiveness, so nonscientific factors inevitably enter the decision. These include our tolerance for risk and the priorities that we assign to economic development, poverty reduction, environmental quality, and intergenerational and geographical equity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; They [climate models] actually work pretty well. He deosn’t seem to know that.</p>
<p>Actually, they very famously *don&#8217;t* work very well. As evidenced by the fact that they didn&#8217;t predict the current slowing rate of warming over the past decade or so. This doesn&#8217;t mean they are useless. It doesn&#8217;t mean that it is a &#8220;hoax&#8221;. It just means that there are some issues that need to be resolved.</p>
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