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	Comments on: Bruce Levenson&#039;s Racism In Broader Context: We need to be smarter.	</title>
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		By: The Peak Oil Poet		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481861</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Peak Oil Poet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481860&quot;&gt;Brainstorms&lt;/a&gt;.

the racist is the one that can&#039;t tell the difference?

as i say above - &quot;racist&quot; is now a weasel word - doublespeak in many mouths

it&#039;s so slippery most people are afraid to go anywhere near it other than to use it like a cudgel when they think it appropriate or useful or it slips out when they are angry

Zionists, who&#039;s nation is apartheid, and very many Jews call anyone who sides with Palestine an anti-Semite - the worst of the racists

if that&#039;s not the world turned upside down

what is?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481860">Brainstorms</a>.</p>
<p>the racist is the one that can&#8217;t tell the difference?</p>
<p>as i say above &#8211; &#8220;racist&#8221; is now a weasel word &#8211; doublespeak in many mouths</p>
<p>it&#8217;s so slippery most people are afraid to go anywhere near it other than to use it like a cudgel when they think it appropriate or useful or it slips out when they are angry</p>
<p>Zionists, who&#8217;s nation is apartheid, and very many Jews call anyone who sides with Palestine an anti-Semite &#8211; the worst of the racists</p>
<p>if that&#8217;s not the world turned upside down</p>
<p>what is?</p>
<p>p</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Koan for the day:

What is the difference between making a statement that is racial in nature, vs making a statement that is racist in nature?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koan for the day:</p>
<p>What is the difference between making a statement that is racial in nature, vs making a statement that is racist in nature?</p>
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		By: The Peak Oil Poet		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Peak Oil Poet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481858&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

yeh but then he would have had to negotiate with all the leaders of the black community

maybe he was just not up to such a challenge

i&#039;d have no idea how to approach it other than suggest a black guy take over the job

but then maybe all the black community leaders were begging for a white dude to come in and tell them how to grow their economy

:-)

and a bunch of red-neck gun-toten sheriffs to back him up

ho hum

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481858">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>yeh but then he would have had to negotiate with all the leaders of the black community</p>
<p>maybe he was just not up to such a challenge</p>
<p>i&#8217;d have no idea how to approach it other than suggest a black guy take over the job</p>
<p>but then maybe all the black community leaders were begging for a white dude to come in and tell them how to grow their economy</p>
<p>🙂</p>
<p>and a bunch of red-neck gun-toten sheriffs to back him up</p>
<p>ho hum</p>
<p>p</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the best way out might have been to grow the surrounding economy so that blacks filled the same demograph that rich whites fill&quot;

Exactly, and it sort of is his job as it is the job of community leaders and such.  Not a job for one person, but for an association of business owners and other stakeholders. Such things almost certainly exist in the neighborhood already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the best way out might have been to grow the surrounding economy so that blacks filled the same demograph that rich whites fill&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly, and it sort of is his job as it is the job of community leaders and such.  Not a job for one person, but for an association of business owners and other stakeholders. Such things almost certainly exist in the neighborhood already.</p>
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		By: The Peak Oil Poet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Peak Oil Poet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481856&quot;&gt;Phil&lt;/a&gt;.

he&#039;s not so much racist as defeatist

he could not ramp up the teams income

so he found the easiest logical explanation

the best way out might have been to grow the surrounding economy so that blacks filled the same demograph that rich whites fill

but that wasn&#039;t his job

you can&#039;t really call him racist - you can only respect him for being big enough to resign for not knowing how to tackle a problem bigger than the team

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481856">Phil</a>.</p>
<p>he&#8217;s not so much racist as defeatist</p>
<p>he could not ramp up the teams income</p>
<p>so he found the easiest logical explanation</p>
<p>the best way out might have been to grow the surrounding economy so that blacks filled the same demograph that rich whites fill</p>
<p>but that wasn&#8217;t his job</p>
<p>you can&#8217;t really call him racist &#8211; you can only respect him for being big enough to resign for not knowing how to tackle a problem bigger than the team</p>
<p>p</p>
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		By: Phil		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t think this rose to the Sterling level of racism at all.
There may be one &quot;racist&quot; assumption, that white fans would spend more money than black fans. I don&#039;t think this is unreasonable if you look at national data.
However it makes use feel uncomfortable. The Hawks want to get a higher income fan, which means attracting more white fans. Is this unreasonable? Is it racist per se or just a fact of life?
I have more questions than answers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think this rose to the Sterling level of racism at all.<br />
There may be one &#8220;racist&#8221; assumption, that white fans would spend more money than black fans. I don&#8217;t think this is unreasonable if you look at national data.<br />
However it makes use feel uncomfortable. The Hawks want to get a higher income fan, which means attracting more white fans. Is this unreasonable? Is it racist per se or just a fact of life?<br />
I have more questions than answers.</p>
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		By: Bruce Jensen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Jensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481851&quot;&gt;The Peak Oil Poet&lt;/a&gt;.

#4 and #5 - Mal, you may be surprised to find that I agree with you, and am not going to say what you perhaps thought I would say.

No, I do not think what Levenson implies is progress.  I was commenting only on the repeated phrases shown in the blog.

I do not think that if a white person avoids a football game because he does not enjoy the half time music, that equates to racism.  If I were a football fan, and they played nothing but country music or acid rock at half time, which I find execrable generally, I might not go either.  Having said that, if I actually enjoyed football, I&#039;d watch anybody play as long as they&#039;re decent.

I do think that there *may be* a deeply entrenched racism in America among the whites, bubbling just under the surface.  It may not be overt in many cases, but may be a simple vague mistrust.  I wish that it is not so.

On the flip side, I wish more people of color would come to national parks and etc.  Nature is racially blind, and the beauty of mountains and rivers and forests knows no cultural boundaries.  Only in recent years do I even see a trickle of African-Americans coming to the parks and wilderness areas, and I wish it could be a far greater percentage - everybody needs this beauty, I believe, to have the proper perspective.  I do see multitudes of people from other nations - but so few Black Americans.  It is depressing.  Parks are found everywhere, and are not especially expensive, so cost is not always the reason why they do not come to the parks.  There could be many reasons, but I wonder if one of them could be a perception that a park is a White Man&#039;s legacy...again, I wish it is not so.

I do not lament the lack of white history month.  In school, that is the GREAT majority of what we learn, and there is no need to pound it home with a &quot;boo hoo&quot; holiday (holimonth?) of white people feeling sorry for themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/bruce-levensons-racism-in-broader-context-we-need-to-be-smarter/#comment-481851">The Peak Oil Poet</a>.</p>
<p>#4 and #5 &#8211; Mal, you may be surprised to find that I agree with you, and am not going to say what you perhaps thought I would say.</p>
<p>No, I do not think what Levenson implies is progress.  I was commenting only on the repeated phrases shown in the blog.</p>
<p>I do not think that if a white person avoids a football game because he does not enjoy the half time music, that equates to racism.  If I were a football fan, and they played nothing but country music or acid rock at half time, which I find execrable generally, I might not go either.  Having said that, if I actually enjoyed football, I&#8217;d watch anybody play as long as they&#8217;re decent.</p>
<p>I do think that there *may be* a deeply entrenched racism in America among the whites, bubbling just under the surface.  It may not be overt in many cases, but may be a simple vague mistrust.  I wish that it is not so.</p>
<p>On the flip side, I wish more people of color would come to national parks and etc.  Nature is racially blind, and the beauty of mountains and rivers and forests knows no cultural boundaries.  Only in recent years do I even see a trickle of African-Americans coming to the parks and wilderness areas, and I wish it could be a far greater percentage &#8211; everybody needs this beauty, I believe, to have the proper perspective.  I do see multitudes of people from other nations &#8211; but so few Black Americans.  It is depressing.  Parks are found everywhere, and are not especially expensive, so cost is not always the reason why they do not come to the parks.  There could be many reasons, but I wonder if one of them could be a perception that a park is a White Man&#8217;s legacy&#8230;again, I wish it is not so.</p>
<p>I do not lament the lack of white history month.  In school, that is the GREAT majority of what we learn, and there is no need to pound it home with a &#8220;boo hoo&#8221; holiday (holimonth?) of white people feeling sorry for themselves.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mal: all good points.

Maybe there should be a white history month. It would be instructive, but perhaps a bit uncomfortable!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mal: all good points.</p>
<p>Maybe there should be a white history month. It would be instructive, but perhaps a bit uncomfortable!</p>
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		By: mal duroque		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mal duroque]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me add, that if Levenson is indeed correct it is a sweeping indictment of white people and their entrenched racism (this is america). Oh, and before you say what you&#039;re going to say, let me mention that there is a vast difference between a minority culture lamenting a lack of representation and the majority culture doing the same. The same as the person who observes black history month ans latin history month and laments the lack of white history month not realizing that there is one. It starts on January 1 and ends on December 31.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add, that if Levenson is indeed correct it is a sweeping indictment of white people and their entrenched racism (this is america). Oh, and before you say what you&#8217;re going to say, let me mention that there is a vast difference between a minority culture lamenting a lack of representation and the majority culture doing the same. The same as the person who observes black history month ans latin history month and laments the lack of white history month not realizing that there is one. It starts on January 1 and ends on December 31.</p>
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		By: mal duroque		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mal duroque]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2014 08:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[#1 Levenson&#039;s &quot;objective observation and analysis&quot; is based strictly on supposition, not data or even well thought out hypotheses. He doesn&#039;t even consider the possibility that Georgia has always been football country and that the Hawks as a rule are simply not that good of a team. Instead he attributes his attendance (both quantity and quality apparently) problems to white people being afraid of black people (evidence?), white people not finding black cheerleaders appealing (evidence?) and white people not wanting to see so many black people express affection towards each on camera (evidence?) The solution of course is to take measures to discourage black attendance at Hawk games, fire some cheerleaders due to their race and replace them with white women and show more white people kissing on camera because after all they have lips too.

#1, do you call this progress?

But at least I can say, no he is not Donald Sterling.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 Levenson&#8217;s &#8220;objective observation and analysis&#8221; is based strictly on supposition, not data or even well thought out hypotheses. He doesn&#8217;t even consider the possibility that Georgia has always been football country and that the Hawks as a rule are simply not that good of a team. Instead he attributes his attendance (both quantity and quality apparently) problems to white people being afraid of black people (evidence?), white people not finding black cheerleaders appealing (evidence?) and white people not wanting to see so many black people express affection towards each on camera (evidence?) The solution of course is to take measures to discourage black attendance at Hawk games, fire some cheerleaders due to their race and replace them with white women and show more white people kissing on camera because after all they have lips too.</p>
<p>#1, do you call this progress?</p>
<p>But at least I can say, no he is not Donald Sterling.</p>
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