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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 03:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Alex, you are brilliant.  A regular Galileo! Have you considered personally going into epidemiology, because you seem really good at it!

The Rubella outbreak probably comes from Americans traveling abroad.  That is how most of these outbreaks occur.  In this case, it genetically matches a source in the Philippines.  But I&#039;m sure you already knew that because you are such a brilliant expert!!!

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, you are brilliant.  A regular Galileo! Have you considered personally going into epidemiology, because you seem really good at it!</p>
<p>The Rubella outbreak probably comes from Americans traveling abroad.  That is how most of these outbreaks occur.  In this case, it genetically matches a source in the Philippines.  But I&#8217;m sure you already knew that because you are such a brilliant expert!!!</p>
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		By: Alex Sanchez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Sanchez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2015 03:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was responding to your comment #6. Clearly there IS a connection to Central America and the recent EV-D68 outbreak and the large amount of unaccompanied immigrant youth who just came through our southern border. Children were dispersed without medical screening throughout the our country. Any epidemiologist worth his salt would be able to make these connections with the amount of data from studies that already exists. Yet you and the CDC and other Federal agencies are dismissing these facts.

And what other epidemic is making its way through our country that is rampant in Central American displacement camps? Rubella:
http://www.paho.org/disasters/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=556%3Aprevention-of-measles-outbreaks-among-displaced-persons&#038;Itemid=664&#038;lang=en]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was responding to your comment #6. Clearly there IS a connection to Central America and the recent EV-D68 outbreak and the large amount of unaccompanied immigrant youth who just came through our southern border. Children were dispersed without medical screening throughout the our country. Any epidemiologist worth his salt would be able to make these connections with the amount of data from studies that already exists. Yet you and the CDC and other Federal agencies are dismissing these facts.</p>
<p>And what other epidemic is making its way through our country that is rampant in Central American displacement camps? Rubella:<br />
<a href="http://www.paho.org/disasters/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=556%3Aprevention-of-measles-outbreaks-among-displaced-persons&#038;Itemid=664&#038;lang=en" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.paho.org/disasters/index.php?option=com_content&#038;view=article&#038;id=556%3Aprevention-of-measles-outbreaks-among-displaced-persons&#038;Itemid=664&#038;lang=en</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481845&quot;&gt;Alex Sanchez&lt;/a&gt;.

Alex, human rhinoviruses and enterovirus are everywhere.  Nobody is ignoring anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481845">Alex Sanchez</a>.</p>
<p>Alex, human rhinoviruses and enterovirus are everywhere.  Nobody is ignoring anything.</p>
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		By: Alex Sanchez		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Sanchez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is clear cut evidence that human rhinoviruses and enteroviruses is rampant in Centra American countries. You just have to read the scientific studies on the subject instead of ignoring them:
http://www.virologyj.com/content/10/1/305]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is clear cut evidence that human rhinoviruses and enteroviruses is rampant in Centra American countries. You just have to read the scientific studies on the subject instead of ignoring them:<br />
<a href="http://www.virologyj.com/content/10/1/305" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.virologyj.com/content/10/1/305</a></p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481844</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, scabes? Not really a problem now is it. Head lice too, from what I&#039;ve heard - but those are both common to individuals living in crowded conditions with slow-to-arrive medical care - like the holding facilities many children were in before they were moved to other, more humane locations. And - at least here in Michigan - it is the children against whom the tea-baggers and &quot;christians&quot; directed most of their bigotry, racism, and ignorance. But are they hotbeds of illness? Hardly, according to facts.

TB? Could be a problem, if it were as widespread among the children as you try to imply. As of July there had been only 3 cases reported in Texas and 1 in Arizona (government statistics). Texas traditionally has 1300 cases per year reported: Is Arizona higher than that?

It is true that Rep. Phil Gingrey from Georgia expressed concern about them bringing measles and similar diseases into the states: but he also said they posed threats for dengue fever and Ebola too, so he should be given slightly less credence on the matter than the pile of crap my dog left in the woods today.

If the concern is that none of these kids are vaccinated, then
&#060;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The primary care system in developing countries is more effective than in the U.S. — better than people think,&quot; says Irwin Redlener, a pediatrician at Columbia University and co-founder of the Children&#039;s Health Fund, which provides health care to the disadvantaged.
Indeed, in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, where roughly 80 percent of the children have come from, immunization for measles has 93 percent coverage, according to WHO.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It was also pointed out that &quot;a very large percentage of the children brought their immunization cards&quot; - but a number was not cited.
Even so, the children were vaccinated at the holding centers before being distributed.

Indeed, Border Patrol reports that the most common medical problems among the children have been dehydration, heat exhaustion, and foot/ankle injuries.

I&#039;m sure the numbers for some of the items mentioned have changed since July, but the only place you will find the dire projections and gnashing of teeth about the severe medical issues are on typical right-wing-racist-make it up as they go web sites. Infowars, Breitbar, theneamerican, michellmalkin, and toprightnews are all especially heinous and nauseating (to decent people) in this regard.

Where are you getting the 5 million number?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, scabes? Not really a problem now is it. Head lice too, from what I&#8217;ve heard &#8211; but those are both common to individuals living in crowded conditions with slow-to-arrive medical care &#8211; like the holding facilities many children were in before they were moved to other, more humane locations. And &#8211; at least here in Michigan &#8211; it is the children against whom the tea-baggers and &#8220;christians&#8221; directed most of their bigotry, racism, and ignorance. But are they hotbeds of illness? Hardly, according to facts.</p>
<p>TB? Could be a problem, if it were as widespread among the children as you try to imply. As of July there had been only 3 cases reported in Texas and 1 in Arizona (government statistics). Texas traditionally has 1300 cases per year reported: Is Arizona higher than that?</p>
<p>It is true that Rep. Phil Gingrey from Georgia expressed concern about them bringing measles and similar diseases into the states: but he also said they posed threats for dengue fever and Ebola too, so he should be given slightly less credence on the matter than the pile of crap my dog left in the woods today.</p>
<p>If the concern is that none of these kids are vaccinated, then<br />
&lt;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The primary care system in developing countries is more effective than in the U.S. — better than people think,&#8221; says Irwin Redlener, a pediatrician at Columbia University and co-founder of the Children&#8217;s Health Fund, which provides health care to the disadvantaged.<br />
Indeed, in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, where roughly 80 percent of the children have come from, immunization for measles has 93 percent coverage, according to WHO.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was also pointed out that &#8220;a very large percentage of the children brought their immunization cards&#8221; &#8211; but a number was not cited.<br />
Even so, the children were vaccinated at the holding centers before being distributed.</p>
<p>Indeed, Border Patrol reports that the most common medical problems among the children have been dehydration, heat exhaustion, and foot/ankle injuries.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the numbers for some of the items mentioned have changed since July, but the only place you will find the dire projections and gnashing of teeth about the severe medical issues are on typical right-wing-racist-make it up as they go web sites. Infowars, Breitbar, theneamerican, michellmalkin, and toprightnews are all especially heinous and nauseating (to decent people) in this regard.</p>
<p>Where are you getting the 5 million number?</p>
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		By: Ellie Kesselman		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ellie Kesselman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of you searching for evidence that illegal aliens (I refuse to call them &quot;undocumented immigrants&quot;) brought enterovirus d68 into the US: it just doesn&#039;t seem to be there. We in Arizona, where illegal aliens are a real problem, were the only state with zero confirmed cases of EV D68. I know that doesn&#039;t scientifically disprove anything, but wanted to share. I would suggest that y&#039;all accept what expert Greg Laden says.

There are lots of other diseases e.g. tuberculosis, scabes, chukum.... something-or-other, that a wave of 5 million Mexicans, Guatemalans and neighbors will likely bring with them to the USA. Be on the alert for a myriad of potential public health concerns in the coming months, but not EV D68.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of you searching for evidence that illegal aliens (I refuse to call them &#8220;undocumented immigrants&#8221;) brought enterovirus d68 into the US: it just doesn&#8217;t seem to be there. We in Arizona, where illegal aliens are a real problem, were the only state with zero confirmed cases of EV D68. I know that doesn&#8217;t scientifically disprove anything, but wanted to share. I would suggest that y&#8217;all accept what expert Greg Laden says.</p>
<p>There are lots of other diseases e.g. tuberculosis, scabes, chukum&#8230;. something-or-other, that a wave of 5 million Mexicans, Guatemalans and neighbors will likely bring with them to the USA. Be on the alert for a myriad of potential public health concerns in the coming months, but not EV D68.</p>
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		By: Brainstorms		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brainstorms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 01:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JDROSS #67, read my comment #55... *I* am the one who&#039;s arguing that we should keep the politics out of it!

BTW, doing a study to establish a correlation between relocating children and where this virus is active is, sorry to break the news, NOT scientific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDROSS #67, read my comment #55&#8230; *I* am the one who&#8217;s arguing that we should keep the politics out of it!</p>
<p>BTW, doing a study to establish a correlation between relocating children and where this virus is active is, sorry to break the news, NOT scientific.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 00:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J. Dross, I&quot;m afraid you did not make any argument.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Dross, I&#8221;m afraid you did not make any argument.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481840</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I make a rational comment &quot;

Where?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I make a rational comment &#8221;</p>
<p>Where?</p>
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		By: JDROSS		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JDROSS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481838&quot;&gt;dean&lt;/a&gt;.

And this is why I rarely join blogs. I make a rational comment and observation, kept it civil, and I get this BS. Stay on point or just don&#039;t comment. How hard is that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/09/08/about-that-disease-outbreak-in-the-us-enterovirus-ev-d68/#comment-481838">dean</a>.</p>
<p>And this is why I rarely join blogs. I make a rational comment and observation, kept it civil, and I get this BS. Stay on point or just don&#8217;t comment. How hard is that?</p>
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