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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 23:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reminder!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder!</p>
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		By: Filip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No problem Greg. Thanks a lot  for the reply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Greg. Thanks a lot  for the reply.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, didn&#039;t ever get back to that.

The data are not really the same and the methods used are not either. There are many people that live in or near the sea ice region in the Arctic, lots of observation points, more aircraft, the shipping industry is always watching, etc.  For example, pretty much every southward bound ice berg that forms in the North Atlantic is identified, numbered, and tracked.  In the southern ocean, there are very few living people most of the year, and nowhere near the data on the ground.  It is absolutely possible for some buoys or or sat data to be off in the southern ocean with very little ground truthing, and the data density is very different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, didn&#8217;t ever get back to that.</p>
<p>The data are not really the same and the methods used are not either. There are many people that live in or near the sea ice region in the Arctic, lots of observation points, more aircraft, the shipping industry is always watching, etc.  For example, pretty much every southward bound ice berg that forms in the North Atlantic is identified, numbered, and tracked.  In the southern ocean, there are very few living people most of the year, and nowhere near the data on the ground.  It is absolutely possible for some buoys or or sat data to be off in the southern ocean with very little ground truthing, and the data density is very different.</p>
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		By: Filip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Greg,
Any thought on this? :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,<br />
Any thought on this? 🙂</p>
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		By: Filip Radulovic		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481124</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip Radulovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you very much Greg, I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Greg, I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the question.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481122&quot;&gt;Filip Radulovic&lt;/a&gt;.

Filip, I think that is a very interesting and pertinent question.  I think I might know the answer to it too, but I&#039;m very busy this morning. I will try to get back to this later.  The question brings up a lot of interesting aspects of the research.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481122">Filip Radulovic</a>.</p>
<p>Filip, I think that is a very interesting and pertinent question.  I think I might know the answer to it too, but I&#8217;m very busy this morning. I will try to get back to this later.  The question brings up a lot of interesting aspects of the research.</p>
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		By: Filip Radulovic		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481122</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip Radulovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 10:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I understood correctly, there might be an error in processing satelite images, and coclusions about Antarctic ice expansion might be wrong!
But how does it relate to Arctic observations? Aren&#039;t those the same analysis methods and satelites? Does it mean that Arctic observations are also under question? Any clarification please?
Thanks.

Btw, I am not a climate change science denialist!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I understood correctly, there might be an error in processing satelite images, and coclusions about Antarctic ice expansion might be wrong!<br />
But how does it relate to Arctic observations? Aren&#8217;t those the same analysis methods and satelites? Does it mean that Arctic observations are also under question? Any clarification please?<br />
Thanks.</p>
<p>Btw, I am not a climate change science denialist!</p>
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		By: The Expansion of Antarctic Sea Ice and Self Correcting Science &#124; uknowispeaksense		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Expansion of Antarctic Sea Ice and Self Correcting Science. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Expansion of Antarctic Sea Ice and Self Correcting Science. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Robert.Grumbine		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert.Grumbine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2014 02:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, it&#039;ll be at http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2014/07/data-are-ugly.html 7 AM EDT,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it&#8217;ll be at <a href="http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2014/07/data-are-ugly.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2014/07/data-are-ugly.html</a> 7 AM EDT,</p>
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		By: Robert Grumbine		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/07/22/the-expansion-of-antarctic-sea-ice-and-self-correcting-science/#comment-481119</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Grumbine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The satellite people are already involved. See also Screen in GRL 2011. He documented that a false trend some were noting was partly because, in an effort to get the best weather analysis of sea ice, I changed from Team1 to Team2 algorithm. Though my purpose was weather, some used it for climate. False trend ensued. I will work on a note for my blog tomorrow morning to cover more details about what is involved. Http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The satellite people are already involved. See also Screen in GRL 2011. He documented that a false trend some were noting was partly because, in an effort to get the best weather analysis of sea ice, I changed from Team1 to Team2 algorithm. Though my purpose was weather, some used it for climate. False trend ensued. I will work on a note for my blog tomorrow morning to cover more details about what is involved. <a href="http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com</a></p>
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