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		By: Cobus 14099366		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479786</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 12:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Both solar and wind power is two renewable sources of energy.  In a world where pollution harms our environment a lot we must make more use of these two eco friendly &quot;green&quot; energy sources.  We must support the use of solar and wind power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both solar and wind power is two renewable sources of energy.  In a world where pollution harms our environment a lot we must make more use of these two eco friendly &#8220;green&#8221; energy sources.  We must support the use of solar and wind power.</p>
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		By: Sigudla 24041344		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Solar Power is indeed the future for an Eco-friendly world. The only problem is the huge costs involved, especially here in the developing countries.Grid power provided could be easily influenced by the enactment of legislation which would force them to buy the excess power generated from the solar powered homes. I also think the Developed world should pump in more resources/funding to initiatives that subsides or advocate for the use of solar power in the developing world, After all they are the major contributors to the green house emissions. What is this about the Climate Green Fund still underfunded?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solar Power is indeed the future for an Eco-friendly world. The only problem is the huge costs involved, especially here in the developing countries.Grid power provided could be easily influenced by the enactment of legislation which would force them to buy the excess power generated from the solar powered homes. I also think the Developed world should pump in more resources/funding to initiatives that subsides or advocate for the use of solar power in the developing world, After all they are the major contributors to the green house emissions. What is this about the Climate Green Fund still underfunded?</p>
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		By: Hank Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 17:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; generating hydrocarbon fuels from electricity....
&#062; to “store” off-peak electric power.
That&#039;s from a press release here:
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80171

The Navy has surplus electrical power and the ocean as a cooling system on the aircraft carriers that would do this:  http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5007123&#038;cid=46703095

Promising if the press release&#039;s hopes prove to work out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; generating hydrocarbon fuels from electricity&#8230;.<br />
&gt; to “store” off-peak electric power.<br />
That&#8217;s from a press release here:<br />
<a href="http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80171" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80171</a></p>
<p>The Navy has surplus electrical power and the ocean as a cooling system on the aircraft carriers that would do this:  <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5007123&#038;cid=46703095" rel="nofollow ugc">http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5007123&#038;cid=46703095</a></p>
<p>Promising if the press release&#8217;s hopes prove to work out.</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2014 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The US Navy has been talking about generating hydrocarbon fuels from electricity.  That is an ideal way to &quot;store&quot; off-peak electric power.

The usual economics of electric power generation trade-off capital for operating cost.  Equipment for peak power generation is usually cheap but has a high operating cost which is justified by the high price of peak power.  That high operating cost comes from fuel, usually natural gas, gas turbines being relatively cheap per watt.

Once you have enough solar and wind to meet peak demands, you don&#039;t need &quot;extra&quot; generation capacity for the peak.  You just need something productive to do with the off-peak power in excess of needs.  Electricity to hydrocarbon fuels is exactly that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Navy has been talking about generating hydrocarbon fuels from electricity.  That is an ideal way to &#8220;store&#8221; off-peak electric power.</p>
<p>The usual economics of electric power generation trade-off capital for operating cost.  Equipment for peak power generation is usually cheap but has a high operating cost which is justified by the high price of peak power.  That high operating cost comes from fuel, usually natural gas, gas turbines being relatively cheap per watt.</p>
<p>Once you have enough solar and wind to meet peak demands, you don&#8217;t need &#8220;extra&#8221; generation capacity for the peak.  You just need something productive to do with the off-peak power in excess of needs.  Electricity to hydrocarbon fuels is exactly that.</p>
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		By: adelady		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479782</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adelady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 22:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;True but most people are going to look at the economics of adding solar to their roof. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

One way to look at it is as an investment.  I realise that some states in the US make it ridiculously difficult and/or expensive, but let&#039;s presume you have a sensible local arrangement.  For someone with a small amount of capital to invest, there are very few better investments.  We have a small system which doesn&#039;t cover all our needs all the time, but we do have 2 quarters a year when our power &quot;bill&quot; is a credit.  Seeing as we spent less than $4000 in the first place, that&#039;s pretty good.  We couldn&#039;t have paid all our grid-supplied power costs from the interest on that amount for those quarters alone, let alone the reductions during the other, higher power use, six months of the year.

When you look at the sort of other spending people make on their houses - swimming pools, fancy benchtops in the kitchen, new bathrooms - solar isn&#039;t such a big spend and it&#039;s getting cheaper all the time.    And it saves you money even when it doesn&#039;t make you money in places where FITs are absent or paltry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>True but most people are going to look at the economics of adding solar to their roof. </p></blockquote>
<p>One way to look at it is as an investment.  I realise that some states in the US make it ridiculously difficult and/or expensive, but let&#8217;s presume you have a sensible local arrangement.  For someone with a small amount of capital to invest, there are very few better investments.  We have a small system which doesn&#8217;t cover all our needs all the time, but we do have 2 quarters a year when our power &#8220;bill&#8221; is a credit.  Seeing as we spent less than $4000 in the first place, that&#8217;s pretty good.  We couldn&#8217;t have paid all our grid-supplied power costs from the interest on that amount for those quarters alone, let alone the reductions during the other, higher power use, six months of the year.</p>
<p>When you look at the sort of other spending people make on their houses &#8211; swimming pools, fancy benchtops in the kitchen, new bathrooms &#8211; solar isn&#8217;t such a big spend and it&#8217;s getting cheaper all the time.    And it saves you money even when it doesn&#8217;t make you money in places where FITs are absent or paltry.</p>
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		By: ray del colle		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479781</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ray del colle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;America has the natural resources to meet its energy demand with clean, renewable energy. It&#039;s time to harness that full potential.&quot; http://clmtr.lt/c/FYj0fz0cMJ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;America has the natural resources to meet its energy demand with clean, renewable energy. It&#8217;s time to harness that full potential.&#8221; <a href="http://clmtr.lt/c/FYj0fz0cMJ" rel="nofollow ugc">http://clmtr.lt/c/FYj0fz0cMJ</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479780</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, as far as I know the vast majority of people who do this in a residential setting don&#039;t store it, and selling to utilities is become very normal very fast.  Every day something comes across my desk a pout that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, as far as I know the vast majority of people who do this in a residential setting don&#8217;t store it, and selling to utilities is become very normal very fast.  Every day something comes across my desk a pout that.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479779</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, adding solar is not linked to how long you live in a house any more than adding a new efficient furnace is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, adding solar is not linked to how long you live in a house any more than adding a new efficient furnace is.</p>
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		By: Smarter Than Your Average Bear		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/04/17/energy-connections-shocking-climate-change-vs-shocking-solar-power/#comment-479778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smarter Than Your Average Bear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 23:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True but most people are going to look at the economics of adding solar to their roof. There again it is going to depend on whether they are going to store any  excess or just supplement their utility providers power by pumping it into the grid (assuming they are allowed to).

If they are going to store it they then have to determine what the return will be over their expected time in that house and whether they can retrieve that investment if they move. Given the mobility of today&#039;s citizenry along with divorce rates etc. I suspect the average home ownership term is quite a bit lower than it used to be - see http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=110770&#038;channelID=311 - by year 15 ~50% have moved on and right now for storage solutions that&#039;s about the payback time last time I looked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True but most people are going to look at the economics of adding solar to their roof. There again it is going to depend on whether they are going to store any  excess or just supplement their utility providers power by pumping it into the grid (assuming they are allowed to).</p>
<p>If they are going to store it they then have to determine what the return will be over their expected time in that house and whether they can retrieve that investment if they move. Given the mobility of today&#8217;s citizenry along with divorce rates etc. I suspect the average home ownership term is quite a bit lower than it used to be &#8211; see <a href="http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=110770&#038;channelID=311" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=110770&#038;channelID=311</a> &#8211; by year 15 ~50% have moved on and right now for storage solutions that&#8217;s about the payback time last time I looked.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2014 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is not a good reason to not put a solar panel on your roof, though. Especially if you have an electric car.

Also, I want to see electric snow blowers and such.  Electric riding lawn mowers.  They would be QUIET.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not a good reason to not put a solar panel on your roof, though. Especially if you have an electric car.</p>
<p>Also, I want to see electric snow blowers and such.  Electric riding lawn mowers.  They would be QUIET.</p>
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