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		By: Sylvester B		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478232</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sylvester B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, how about the hurt that Seattle put on the Broncos!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, how about the hurt that Seattle put on the Broncos!</p>
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		By: Sylvester B		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478231</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sylvester B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oversimplified, Greg. And ignores that what we are extracting is an energy source, strongly influenced by costs of production (and sustainability of market price of product). As the price goes up, reserves that were unavailable (because of unfavorable economics) can be exploited. As alternative sources of energy are developed, they will replace fossil fuels to the extent (and only to the extent) that they are economically feasible (not necessarily price competitive, but at a cost that a user will pay; vide UK electricity costs that are borne even though the wind/solar/ecology costs make them uncompetitive--a political decision, not a free-market result).

Plus, the effects of present-valuing the benefits of production...sooner is worth more than later.

And the cookie factory would be influenced by new startups if the prices of cookies got high enough!

A story: When I was a senior in ChemEngr school (1952) I was advised to avoid the petroleum industry as there was only some fifty years of proved reserves of petroleum. Years later it dawned on me that no one would spend money to prove up reserves any longer than that, because the present value of a barrel of oil to be produced fifty or more years in the future would be less than the current cost per barrel spent to prove it up.

BTW, cookies are a no-no in our household; too fattening!

JimB]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oversimplified, Greg. And ignores that what we are extracting is an energy source, strongly influenced by costs of production (and sustainability of market price of product). As the price goes up, reserves that were unavailable (because of unfavorable economics) can be exploited. As alternative sources of energy are developed, they will replace fossil fuels to the extent (and only to the extent) that they are economically feasible (not necessarily price competitive, but at a cost that a user will pay; vide UK electricity costs that are borne even though the wind/solar/ecology costs make them uncompetitive&#8211;a political decision, not a free-market result).</p>
<p>Plus, the effects of present-valuing the benefits of production&#8230;sooner is worth more than later.</p>
<p>And the cookie factory would be influenced by new startups if the prices of cookies got high enough!</p>
<p>A story: When I was a senior in ChemEngr school (1952) I was advised to avoid the petroleum industry as there was only some fifty years of proved reserves of petroleum. Years later it dawned on me that no one would spend money to prove up reserves any longer than that, because the present value of a barrel of oil to be produced fifty or more years in the future would be less than the current cost per barrel spent to prove it up.</p>
<p>BTW, cookies are a no-no in our household; too fattening!</p>
<p>JimB</p>
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		By: PracTac4U		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PracTac4U]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 04:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brilliantly done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliantly done.</p>
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		By: Flakmeister		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478229</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flakmeister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 04:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, yeah, I suppose volcanoes could save us for a bit,...Not a bet that I would want to take though. The way I see, H. Sapiens will be doing a Peter Pan from the Balcony despite all the knowledge and understanding we have amassed...

Can&#039;t stop trying though...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, yeah, I suppose volcanoes could save us for a bit,&#8230;Not a bet that I would want to take though. The way I see, H. Sapiens will be doing a Peter Pan from the Balcony despite all the knowledge and understanding we have amassed&#8230;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t stop trying though&#8230;</p>
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		By: Flakmeister		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478228</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flakmeister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 04:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[G...

When you wish upon a star....

How many Thorium reactors would it take to replace existing coal and NG fired capacity? How does that compare with the existing number of conventional reactors? Is there is an existing design, what about U-233 proliferation?

As far of PO is concerned, it is very true that the fast crashers  such as Hirsch were wrong. The plateau has been flat and there is no discernible 2nd derivative in the rate of production. But it should be very clear that a consequence, the Export Land Model, is playing in places like Egypt...

Fusion is pipe dream, simple as that. I would bet that we have a better chance of seeing a high current 500 MeV cyclotron optimized for muon production so as to breed plutonium  via the neutron flux from D-D mu-catalyzed fusion than we do of seeing a &quot;conventional&quot; fusion reactor....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8230;</p>
<p>When you wish upon a star&#8230;.</p>
<p>How many Thorium reactors would it take to replace existing coal and NG fired capacity? How does that compare with the existing number of conventional reactors? Is there is an existing design, what about U-233 proliferation?</p>
<p>As far of PO is concerned, it is very true that the fast crashers  such as Hirsch were wrong. The plateau has been flat and there is no discernible 2nd derivative in the rate of production. But it should be very clear that a consequence, the Export Land Model, is playing in places like Egypt&#8230;</p>
<p>Fusion is pipe dream, simple as that. I would bet that we have a better chance of seeing a high current 500 MeV cyclotron optimized for muon production so as to breed plutonium  via the neutron flux from D-D mu-catalyzed fusion than we do of seeing a &#8220;conventional&#8221; fusion reactor&#8230;.</p>
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		By: G		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478227</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 03:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought it was well done, and the analogy is also useful because it&#039;s something that almost everyone has experienced personally.

There&#039;s something else about Peak Oil that&#039;s interesting: the concept of _one single peak_ plays into the emotional core of all dramatic narrative: that a story has a peak moment where all the plot details come to a head.  This sets us up to anticipate a &quot;dramatic moment&quot;, such as waking up one day to news headlines that oil prices have suddenly spiked to $200/bbl and grocery store shelves have been emptied by terrified crowds.  When that doesn&#039;t happen, we tootle along as if nothing&#039;s the matter.

What&#039;s important about your posting here, which IMHO should be made to go viral, is that real life doesn&#039;t work like cinema: this story won&#039;t have its peak moment in the plot, but instead there will be a series of adjustments, each one involving more and worse compromises than the rest, all incremental so each of them doesn&#039;t seem &quot;that bad.&quot;

As for Saudi, anyone who doubts that it&#039;s a truly horrid regime should look up the human rights situation there for women and girls.

And the one point on which I differed with the President during his SOTU speech, was where he said that natural gas was &quot;the bridge fuel.&quot;  In truth, natural gas is a band-aid on a life-threatening wound.  The real bridge fuel will be thorium, which, in conjunction with renewables, could provide power for hundreds of years: more than sufficient to get us from here to full commercial deployment of fusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was well done, and the analogy is also useful because it&#8217;s something that almost everyone has experienced personally.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something else about Peak Oil that&#8217;s interesting: the concept of _one single peak_ plays into the emotional core of all dramatic narrative: that a story has a peak moment where all the plot details come to a head.  This sets us up to anticipate a &#8220;dramatic moment&#8221;, such as waking up one day to news headlines that oil prices have suddenly spiked to $200/bbl and grocery store shelves have been emptied by terrified crowds.  When that doesn&#8217;t happen, we tootle along as if nothing&#8217;s the matter.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important about your posting here, which IMHO should be made to go viral, is that real life doesn&#8217;t work like cinema: this story won&#8217;t have its peak moment in the plot, but instead there will be a series of adjustments, each one involving more and worse compromises than the rest, all incremental so each of them doesn&#8217;t seem &#8220;that bad.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for Saudi, anyone who doubts that it&#8217;s a truly horrid regime should look up the human rights situation there for women and girls.</p>
<p>And the one point on which I differed with the President during his SOTU speech, was where he said that natural gas was &#8220;the bridge fuel.&#8221;  In truth, natural gas is a band-aid on a life-threatening wound.  The real bridge fuel will be thorium, which, in conjunction with renewables, could provide power for hundreds of years: more than sufficient to get us from here to full commercial deployment of fusion.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478226</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[we could always get lucky with a bunch of volcanoes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we could always get lucky with a bunch of volcanoes.</p>
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		By: The Peak Oil Poet		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478225</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Peak Oil Poet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2014 23:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent post - something fresh on a tired and played out subject

in fact i was thinking of &quot;peak peak oil&quot; - that time when the most articles on the subject were extracted from the trove of minds turned that way after appropriate time in the appropriate cooker

i myself experienced &quot;peak peak oil poetry&quot; - that time when i was most prolific as a &quot;poet&quot;

whatever, your post may be one of those statistically predictable outliers

perhaps an appropriate line
would render an end that&#039;s sublime
the peaks rise and fall
and we all drop the ball
it&#039;s just a matter of time

p]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post &#8211; something fresh on a tired and played out subject</p>
<p>in fact i was thinking of &#8220;peak peak oil&#8221; &#8211; that time when the most articles on the subject were extracted from the trove of minds turned that way after appropriate time in the appropriate cooker</p>
<p>i myself experienced &#8220;peak peak oil poetry&#8221; &#8211; that time when i was most prolific as a &#8220;poet&#8221;</p>
<p>whatever, your post may be one of those statistically predictable outliers</p>
<p>perhaps an appropriate line<br />
would render an end that&#8217;s sublime<br />
the peaks rise and fall<br />
and we all drop the ball<br />
it&#8217;s just a matter of time</p>
<p>p</p>
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		By: Flakmeister		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2014/02/02/peak-oil-vs-peak-chocolate-chip-cookies/#comment-478224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flakmeister]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, we both know that a world of hurt is coming from AGW or PO, probably both...

And as much as you and I would like to see a happy ending to the story, it would appear that what is playing out is the solution to Fermi&#039;s Paradox in real time...

Either a civilization figures out how to move beyond it&#039;s fossil fuel endowment or it dies trying.  If the history of our species is any guide, when AGW becomes absolutely undeniable they will start spraying S02 in the stratosphere....

You know the rest of the story...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, we both know that a world of hurt is coming from AGW or PO, probably both&#8230;</p>
<p>And as much as you and I would like to see a happy ending to the story, it would appear that what is playing out is the solution to Fermi&#8217;s Paradox in real time&#8230;</p>
<p>Either a civilization figures out how to move beyond it&#8217;s fossil fuel endowment or it dies trying.  If the history of our species is any guide, when AGW becomes absolutely undeniable they will start spraying S02 in the stratosphere&#8230;.</p>
<p>You know the rest of the story&#8230;</p>
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		By: Nangoat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nangoat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, I thought it was well done! Good crunch, but not burnt on the bottom. A fresh perspective (as well as a fresh chocolate chipper) should always be appreciated even if just for that. There were more than a few good chips in this one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I thought it was well done! Good crunch, but not burnt on the bottom. A fresh perspective (as well as a fresh chocolate chipper) should always be appreciated even if just for that. There were more than a few good chips in this one.</p>
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