Comments on: How to not look like an idiot https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/ Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:18:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490143 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:18:41 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490143 Here you go:

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/01/15/the-recovery-of-arctic-sea-ice-extent/

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490142 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:41:54 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490142 That’s worth a closer look, Jim. Thanks for pointing it out.

A graph, maybe. Denialist claims and relative ice area through November, December, and January.

]]> By: Jim Pettit https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490141 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 13:37:05 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490141 I realize this post is a month old, but just wanted to note that denialists have now gone silent on the “recovery” of NH sea ice extent, since that reading is currently several hundred thousands square kilometers lower than it was on this date in 2012, the year of the record melt-out.

]]> By: Stu https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490140 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:19:39 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490140 Also, Greg, m/

]]> By: Stu https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490139 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:19:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490139 One thing to note is that when talking to deniers it’s always about ice EXTENT, not VOLUME.

To recycle a point I made on another blog here: these are people happily telling you that just because the pancakes at Denny’s are now only half as thick, it does not matter because they are still the same diameter. (And last Sunday, they were bigger! Hah!)

]]> By: dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490138 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:56:21 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490138 the origin of that quote (“The best way to …”) seems to still be up in the air – see
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490137 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:56:02 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490137 You mean that wasn’t Twain?

]]> By: Mal Adapted https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490136 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:50:06 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490136 Greg:

The best way to not look like an idiot is to shut up.

Lincoln is credited (perhaps erroneously) with “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt”, but your formulation is more succinct 8^)!

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490135 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:35:00 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490135 That is a very important point. The multi-year ice is gone or severely reduced in areas no one thought would be melted out back a few years ago .

]]> By: northierthanthou https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/12/14/how-to-not-look-like-an-idiot/#comment-490134 Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:32:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=18339#comment-490134 I’ve chatted with a couple people over the supposedly amazing recovery as well. One other thing this doesn’t take into account is the difference between multi-ear ice and fresh ice. At this point anyway, winter is going to freeze up the ocean around here, but that’s a thin layer of fresh ice, and it happens every time. What concerns a lot of locals is the relative absence of multi-year ice, which is what folks prefer to use for much of their hunting. More to the point at hand, the decline in the ice is not simply a question of total coverage. It is also a question of thickness, salinity, and a range of other variables, all of which some folks would rather just ignore.

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