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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 21:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wut?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wut?</p>
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		By: Roger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: #13: no, it&#039;s not.  Not even a little.

&quot;There&#039;s no reason to expect it to be...&quot; is 100% analogous to &quot;There are reasons to not expect it to be...&quot;  Both involve exactly one negative.  Neither statements are contradictory, not in the slightest.  You are stating that there are reasons to believe that it is not a recovery.  I stated that there are no reasons to believe that it is a recovery.

Semantically, yes, there&#039;s a difference: you&#039;re saying there is POSITIVE proof that things are BAD, whereas I&#039;m saying there is NO proof that things are GOOD.  Both, however, mean that things are bad, no matter how you slice it.  I&#039;m not sure how the plane analogy fits into that, because in that analogy, the statements are contradictory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #13: no, it&#8217;s not.  Not even a little.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no reason to expect it to be&#8230;&#8221; is 100% analogous to &#8220;There are reasons to not expect it to be&#8230;&#8221;  Both involve exactly one negative.  Neither statements are contradictory, not in the slightest.  You are stating that there are reasons to believe that it is not a recovery.  I stated that there are no reasons to believe that it is a recovery.</p>
<p>Semantically, yes, there&#8217;s a difference: you&#8217;re saying there is POSITIVE proof that things are BAD, whereas I&#8217;m saying there is NO proof that things are GOOD.  Both, however, mean that things are bad, no matter how you slice it.  I&#8217;m not sure how the plane analogy fits into that, because in that analogy, the statements are contradictory.</p>
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		By: makeinu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[makeinu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/18/arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-record-low&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arctic sea ice shrinks to sixth-lowest extent on record&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The seven summers with the lowest sea ice minimums were all in the past seven years.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/19/climate-change-arctic-ice-sixth-lowest-in-millennia&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Arctic sea ice &quot;recovers&quot; to its 6th-lowest extent in millennia&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;A study published in 2010 by 18 leading Arctic experts examined Arctic records throughout geologic history and concluded,

&quot;The current reduction in Arctic ice cover started in the late 19th century, consistent with the rapidly warming climate, and became very pronounced over the last three decades. This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This must be the same definition of &quot;recovery&quot; certain ideologues are using when referring to the economy. 

&quot;When &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; use a word,&quot; Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, &quot;it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/18/arctic-sea-ice-shrinks-record-low" rel="nofollow">Arctic sea ice shrinks to sixth-lowest extent on record</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The seven summers with the lowest sea ice minimums were all in the past seven years.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/19/climate-change-arctic-ice-sixth-lowest-in-millennia" rel="nofollow">Arctic sea ice &#8220;recovers&#8221; to its 6th-lowest extent in millennia</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A study published in 2010 by 18 leading Arctic experts examined Arctic records throughout geologic history and concluded,</p>
<p>&#8220;The current reduction in Arctic ice cover started in the late 19th century, consistent with the rapidly warming climate, and became very pronounced over the last three decades. This ice loss appears to be unmatched over at least the last few thousand years and unexplainable by any of the known natural variabilities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This must be the same definition of &#8220;recovery&#8221; certain ideologues are using when referring to the economy. </p>
<p>&#8220;When <em>I</em> use a word,&#8221; Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, &#8220;it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Faisal Saya		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Faisal Saya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Melting of arctic ice is a natural process, but it has been badly triggered by the humans&#039; industrial activities. In a era of super computers, it is interesting to that man is facing those problems which were otherwise were not more than blessing for the humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melting of arctic ice is a natural process, but it has been badly triggered by the humans&#8217; industrial activities. In a era of super computers, it is interesting to that man is facing those problems which were otherwise were not more than blessing for the humanity.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2013 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a little like saying that if a little airplane crashed it did not really crash because last week a big airplane crashed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a little like saying that if a little airplane crashed it did not really crash because last week a big airplane crashed.</p>
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		By: Roger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We CAN know that there’s no reason to expect it to be a turning point,&quot;

Not sure if you were responding to #10, or me at #9, but you said the same thing.  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We CAN know that there’s no reason to expect it to be a turning point,&#8221;</p>
<p>Not sure if you were responding to #10, or me at #9, but you said the same thing.  😉</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 14:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But there are reasons to not expect it to be a turning point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there are reasons to not expect it to be a turning point.</p>
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		By: adelady		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adelady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2013 02:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[2013 is in much the same territory as more recent years when you look at ice thickness ... http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/Bpiomas_plot_daily_heff.2sst.png

or volume ... http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2013 is in much the same territory as more recent years when you look at ice thickness &#8230; <a href="http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/Bpiomas_plot_daily_heff.2sst.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/schweiger/ice_volume/Bpiomas_plot_daily_heff.2sst.png</a></p>
<p>or volume &#8230; <a href="http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/</a></p>
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		By: Roger		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good post, Greg.  When I first heard the &quot;news,&quot; I was hopeful, but not expecting any real positive news.  This seems to confirm that a healthy dose of skepticism (realism? pessimism?) is due with respect to the recovery of arctic sea ice.

It&#039;s worth noting, however, that Revkin COULD be right: it could be a turning point.  We absolutely cannot know that until later.  We CAN know that there&#039;s no reason to expect it to be a turning point, rather than simply a year that was not as drastic as 2012.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Greg.  When I first heard the &#8220;news,&#8221; I was hopeful, but not expecting any real positive news.  This seems to confirm that a healthy dose of skepticism (realism? pessimism?) is due with respect to the recovery of arctic sea ice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting, however, that Revkin COULD be right: it could be a turning point.  We absolutely cannot know that until later.  We CAN know that there&#8217;s no reason to expect it to be a turning point, rather than simply a year that was not as drastic as 2012.</p>
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		By: Toby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2013 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You cannot call the ice minimum years &quot;outliers&quot;. An &quot;outlier&quot; can be outside 3-sigma limits. If you plot the August ice averages, you will see they fall along a decreasing linear slope, with the 2013 observation will within 2-sigma limits of expectation.

A new minimum seems to be happening every 2 to 7 years (since the 1990s), with the general trend decreasing. We should expect the next minimum in 2017 or 2018.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You cannot call the ice minimum years &#8220;outliers&#8221;. An &#8220;outlier&#8221; can be outside 3-sigma limits. If you plot the August ice averages, you will see they fall along a decreasing linear slope, with the 2013 observation will within 2-sigma limits of expectation.</p>
<p>A new minimum seems to be happening every 2 to 7 years (since the 1990s), with the general trend decreasing. We should expect the next minimum in 2017 or 2018.</p>
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