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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; just two becquerels less than the level considered unsafe.&quot;

No, asshole. It isn&#039;t &quot;unsafe&quot;. It&#039;s REGULATORY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; just two becquerels less than the level considered unsafe.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, asshole. It isn&#8217;t &#8220;unsafe&#8221;. It&#8217;s REGULATORY.</p>
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		By: Johnny Lee George Jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Lee George Jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 00:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It sounds like to me they need to dig a trench up stream of the reactors to keep out unwanted ground water and build a wall to keep contaminated water from entering the trench .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like to me they need to dig a trench up stream of the reactors to keep out unwanted ground water and build a wall to keep contaminated water from entering the trench .</p>
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		By: Nathaniel White-Joyal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathaniel White-Joyal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2013 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yesterday we launched our newest video project from Fairewinds Energy Education, a guided tour video tour of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear site (link here). Fairewinds is nuclear safety advocacy group whose mission is to demystify nuclear power for our worldwide audience. Every week we get hundreds of questions about the ongoing tragedy in Japan as a result of the 2011 tsunami and triple meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. In our most recent film, we combined satellite video, animated graphics and photos to create a guided tour to give our viewers a better understanding of the challenges and risks we are facing at Daiichi. 

The accident at Fukushima Daiichi has had tremendous impacts on the Japanese people, and as the site cleanup is ignored and radiation spreads in to the Pacific Ocean, the repercussions of this accident are beginning to be felt worldwide. We’ve been working to bring international attention to this immense, and growing, public health crisis. Today we’re asking for your help. 

Our video tour of Fukushima Daiichi is 20 minutes long, and we have much more educational content of all types (videos, podcasts, blog posts, technical reports, TV and radio interviews, book lists and more) on our website. Your (website/blog) is well known and respected, and if you could take the time to share our video and bring increased attention to the Fukushima Daiichi crisis, your contribution to expanding public education would be one step forward towards a cleaner and safer world. 

Thanks for taking the time to read this email, and please consider sharing our video with your audience. 
https://vimeo.com/76075250
Sincerely yours, 

Nathaniel White-Joyal
Fairewinds Media Producer
www.fairewinds.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday we launched our newest video project from Fairewinds Energy Education, a guided tour video tour of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear site (link here). Fairewinds is nuclear safety advocacy group whose mission is to demystify nuclear power for our worldwide audience. Every week we get hundreds of questions about the ongoing tragedy in Japan as a result of the 2011 tsunami and triple meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. In our most recent film, we combined satellite video, animated graphics and photos to create a guided tour to give our viewers a better understanding of the challenges and risks we are facing at Daiichi. </p>
<p>The accident at Fukushima Daiichi has had tremendous impacts on the Japanese people, and as the site cleanup is ignored and radiation spreads in to the Pacific Ocean, the repercussions of this accident are beginning to be felt worldwide. We’ve been working to bring international attention to this immense, and growing, public health crisis. Today we’re asking for your help. </p>
<p>Our video tour of Fukushima Daiichi is 20 minutes long, and we have much more educational content of all types (videos, podcasts, blog posts, technical reports, TV and radio interviews, book lists and more) on our website. Your (website/blog) is well known and respected, and if you could take the time to share our video and bring increased attention to the Fukushima Daiichi crisis, your contribution to expanding public education would be one step forward towards a cleaner and safer world. </p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to read this email, and please consider sharing our video with your audience.<br />
<a href="https://vimeo.com/76075250" rel="nofollow ugc">https://vimeo.com/76075250</a><br />
Sincerely yours, </p>
<p>Nathaniel White-Joyal<br />
Fairewinds Media Producer<br />
<a href="http://www.fairewinds.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fairewinds.org</a></p>
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		By: Qu Quine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qu Quine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Sep 2013 08:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s fukued.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fukued.</p>
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		By: Eamon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eamon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2013 17:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Thyroid reports in the media are virtually scaremongering now. The kids are being checked with the latest Ultrasound scanners. Compared the the traditional method of checking for thyroid anomalies - feeling for them - they&#039;re the equivalent of the Hubble Space Telescope. S.Guth et al 2009 found that 13 MHz scanners found anomalies in 67% of Germans, the older 7.5 MHz ones had something like 16%, and the touch method seems to be in the 4-8% mark depending on the populations concerned.

With that I&#039;d guess the scanners are picking up cancers which would have presented later in life, if at all (The incidentaloma problem).

Also, the J-Gov did a check on juvenile populations in other parts of Japan with the same methods and equipment. No difference in thyroid stats. Ref: http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201303090076

On the subject of cancer stats, Japan&#039;s are available from the &quot;Monitoring of Cancer Incidence in Japan (MCIJ) Project&quot;. The latest free published one is available here: http://jjco.oxfordjournals.org/content/41/1/139.full.pdf

Japan however does not have a national database, the data has to be judged and collated from prefectures all the way down to villages, and not every prefecture is in the registry, or has the resources to devote the time and money needed. Fukushima was one of 3 prefectures that started their registries in 2010(!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thyroid reports in the media are virtually scaremongering now. The kids are being checked with the latest Ultrasound scanners. Compared the the traditional method of checking for thyroid anomalies &#8211; feeling for them &#8211; they&#8217;re the equivalent of the Hubble Space Telescope. S.Guth et al 2009 found that 13 MHz scanners found anomalies in 67% of Germans, the older 7.5 MHz ones had something like 16%, and the touch method seems to be in the 4-8% mark depending on the populations concerned.</p>
<p>With that I&#8217;d guess the scanners are picking up cancers which would have presented later in life, if at all (The incidentaloma problem).</p>
<p>Also, the J-Gov did a check on juvenile populations in other parts of Japan with the same methods and equipment. No difference in thyroid stats. Ref: <a href="http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201303090076" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201303090076</a></p>
<p>On the subject of cancer stats, Japan&#8217;s are available from the &#8220;Monitoring of Cancer Incidence in Japan (MCIJ) Project&#8221;. The latest free published one is available here: <a href="http://jjco.oxfordjournals.org/content/41/1/139.full.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://jjco.oxfordjournals.org/content/41/1/139.full.pdf</a></p>
<p>Japan however does not have a national database, the data has to be judged and collated from prefectures all the way down to villages, and not every prefecture is in the registry, or has the resources to devote the time and money needed. Fukushima was one of 3 prefectures that started their registries in 2010(!)</p>
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		By: Not News: Obama and Bloomberg Summer Events Spectacularly &#8230; &#124; Testing Wordpress WP1		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Not News: Obama and Bloomberg Summer Events Spectacularly &#8230; &#124; Testing Wordpress WP1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] The news as complied here has a couple of themes other than the information about the leak (or leaks). For one thing, any suspicion that TEPCO or anyone else &#8230;See all stories on this topic  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The news as complied here has a couple of themes other than the information about the leak (or leaks). For one thing, any suspicion that TEPCO or anyone else &#8230;See all stories on this topic  [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They got to Matthew.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They got to Matthew.</p>
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		By: Matthew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I worked nuclear power in the Navy.  The danger is in the concentration and proximity.  There are several nuclear cores on the sea floor already.  I wouldn&#039;t want to swim close to one but you could grind them al]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked nuclear power in the Navy.  The danger is in the concentration and proximity.  There are several nuclear cores on the sea floor already.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to swim close to one but you could grind them al</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I noticed that you suggested on your facebook page that we could just break open the barriers that separate the plant from the ocean and let it wash out to sea.  I know you were being sarcastic when you said that but I don&#039;t see a problem with that.  In fact, use some explosives to make a canal from the power plant to the ocean.  The truth is, the radiation would spread out so much that it would go back to being what it was before it was mined, a natural product on the earth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that you suggested on your facebook page that we could just break open the barriers that separate the plant from the ocean and let it wash out to sea.  I know you were being sarcastic when you said that but I don&#8217;t see a problem with that.  In fact, use some explosives to make a canal from the power plant to the ocean.  The truth is, the radiation would spread out so much that it would go back to being what it was before it was mined, a natural product on the earth.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All three of your points have to do with the effects of radiation (one way or another) on health and this is the area of greatest uncertainty in research and greatest level of misinformation out there among the public.  I know people who will no longer eat fish on the US Pacific coast because they&#039;ve heard that radiation levels are way high because of Fukushima.  Even more amazing is that some people have stopped drinking California milk for the same reason. (Actually I can think of cases from Wisconsin as well.)

What IS amazing in many of these cases is that Fukushima-originated radioactive material can be detected across the Pacific (and it can be).  But that is a testament to the instrumentation and not the amount of radiation.

The Leukemia compensation headline is accurate.  It refers to a specific health benefit rule. Workers who receive a certain level of exposure now get a special benefit if they happen to get leukemia.

I&#039;m not sure what to make of the BC fish headline.  The article is accurate.  The title says &quot;unclear&quot; ... which it may be, but any reasonable estimate of the risk should conclude that it is non-existant or negligible.   Hard to say what was on the editor&#039;s mind there. 

Fukushima prefecture has about 360 children in the age range, but something like 180,000 have been screened, of which 44 have had some sort of issues either 18 or 28, depending on how one reads the secondary reports, diagnosed as cancer.  Supposedly thyroid cancer is very rare in Japan. But, thyroid cancer rates change a great deal over time probably because of changes in diagnostics, so it is quite possible that Japanese methods and methods elsewhere are different enough that the data are not comparable.  In any event, one would not expect to see thyroid cancer develop in children in the area for another 10-3 years from now, so this is probably people being extra edgy.

Anyway, of the 31 headlines, you&#039;ve identified 3 as problematic, and it is possible that only two of them are, so that&#039;s pretty good  Also, the fact that most of the confusion and misunderstanding is related to radiation dosage and risk, is very unsurprising.  Indeed, over the same period of time covered by these mostly MSM items, there is quite a bit not included in this post including simulations of giant radioactive blobs eating California!  

Thanks for the input.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All three of your points have to do with the effects of radiation (one way or another) on health and this is the area of greatest uncertainty in research and greatest level of misinformation out there among the public.  I know people who will no longer eat fish on the US Pacific coast because they&#8217;ve heard that radiation levels are way high because of Fukushima.  Even more amazing is that some people have stopped drinking California milk for the same reason. (Actually I can think of cases from Wisconsin as well.)</p>
<p>What IS amazing in many of these cases is that Fukushima-originated radioactive material can be detected across the Pacific (and it can be).  But that is a testament to the instrumentation and not the amount of radiation.</p>
<p>The Leukemia compensation headline is accurate.  It refers to a specific health benefit rule. Workers who receive a certain level of exposure now get a special benefit if they happen to get leukemia.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to make of the BC fish headline.  The article is accurate.  The title says &#8220;unclear&#8221; &#8230; which it may be, but any reasonable estimate of the risk should conclude that it is non-existant or negligible.   Hard to say what was on the editor&#8217;s mind there. </p>
<p>Fukushima prefecture has about 360 children in the age range, but something like 180,000 have been screened, of which 44 have had some sort of issues either 18 or 28, depending on how one reads the secondary reports, diagnosed as cancer.  Supposedly thyroid cancer is very rare in Japan. But, thyroid cancer rates change a great deal over time probably because of changes in diagnostics, so it is quite possible that Japanese methods and methods elsewhere are different enough that the data are not comparable.  In any event, one would not expect to see thyroid cancer develop in children in the area for another 10-3 years from now, so this is probably people being extra edgy.</p>
<p>Anyway, of the 31 headlines, you&#8217;ve identified 3 as problematic, and it is possible that only two of them are, so that&#8217;s pretty good  Also, the fact that most of the confusion and misunderstanding is related to radiation dosage and risk, is very unsurprising.  Indeed, over the same period of time covered by these mostly MSM items, there is quite a bit not included in this post including simulations of giant radioactive blobs eating California!  </p>
<p>Thanks for the input.</p>
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