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		By: G		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-case-for-vegan-hot-dogs/#comment-489182</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2015 13:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I see this topic has been revived revived after a couple of years.

Greg, the problem with your arguement is that it switches back and forth between ecology and health in an inconsistent manner.

If ecology is the key issue, then making full use of available meat animals is preferable, including the icky bits (but NOT including ANY nerve tissue: just say Mad Cow).  Eschewing hot dogs only has the effect of making less efficient use of animals, resulting in more animals raised &#038; slaughtered, at greater ecological impact overall.  

If health is the key issue, an occasional hot dog is no more a hazard than an occasional ice cream sundae, and hot dogs in excess are no worse than most other fatty foods in excess. 

Turning icky bits into petfood rather than humanfood is silly, as it only displaces some other petfood ingredients to some unknown destination, probably a compost pile, thus no efficiency gain there.

Bottom line is, I don&#039;t see a health or ecology problem here.  Cheap meat is better than expensive meat.  Icky meat in a bowl becomes innocuous meat on a bun.  More efficient energy-conversion from animal feed to calories for humans is better than less efficient.

There is of course the ethical issue of raising animals for slaughter.  I believe that cows etc. are conscious and that the real Original Sin of humans is that we must kill to live (killing plants is still killing), but that we evolved for an omnivorous diet so the best we can do is a degree of compromise.  That issue will eventually be dealt with by vat meat, something I eagerly look forward to for both moral and ecological reasons.  When we get to the point of synthesizing plant matter from sunlight and chemicals, we&#039;ll be free of any killing in order to live.  And the other thing about vat meat is, it can also produce hot dogs that don&#039;t have icky bits in them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I see this topic has been revived revived after a couple of years.</p>
<p>Greg, the problem with your arguement is that it switches back and forth between ecology and health in an inconsistent manner.</p>
<p>If ecology is the key issue, then making full use of available meat animals is preferable, including the icky bits (but NOT including ANY nerve tissue: just say Mad Cow).  Eschewing hot dogs only has the effect of making less efficient use of animals, resulting in more animals raised &amp; slaughtered, at greater ecological impact overall.  </p>
<p>If health is the key issue, an occasional hot dog is no more a hazard than an occasional ice cream sundae, and hot dogs in excess are no worse than most other fatty foods in excess. </p>
<p>Turning icky bits into petfood rather than humanfood is silly, as it only displaces some other petfood ingredients to some unknown destination, probably a compost pile, thus no efficiency gain there.</p>
<p>Bottom line is, I don&#8217;t see a health or ecology problem here.  Cheap meat is better than expensive meat.  Icky meat in a bowl becomes innocuous meat on a bun.  More efficient energy-conversion from animal feed to calories for humans is better than less efficient.</p>
<p>There is of course the ethical issue of raising animals for slaughter.  I believe that cows etc. are conscious and that the real Original Sin of humans is that we must kill to live (killing plants is still killing), but that we evolved for an omnivorous diet so the best we can do is a degree of compromise.  That issue will eventually be dealt with by vat meat, something I eagerly look forward to for both moral and ecological reasons.  When we get to the point of synthesizing plant matter from sunlight and chemicals, we&#8217;ll be free of any killing in order to live.  And the other thing about vat meat is, it can also produce hot dogs that don&#8217;t have icky bits in them.</p>
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		By: Can GMOs solve the coming food crisis?		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: The Coming Food Crisis And What To Do About It &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-case-for-vegan-hot-dogs/#comment-489180</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Mark P		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The contents of most sausage-type products, including hot dogs, is pretty gross, but I have seen restaurants on TV that make their own sausage-like stuff out of actual meat that I would consider eating before they were ground up and extruded. My conclusion: if you really want to eat hot dogs, make your own.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The contents of most sausage-type products, including hot dogs, is pretty gross, but I have seen restaurants on TV that make their own sausage-like stuff out of actual meat that I would consider eating before they were ground up and extruded. My conclusion: if you really want to eat hot dogs, make your own.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, exactly, that was actually my point!]]></description>
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		By: Jim Thomerson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2013 02:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t eat hot dogs much anymore.  As a friend said some time back, they used to taste really good. I occasionally will buy a pack, and be disappointed at them, even the Kosher ones.

When I was in high school, we did a lot of building and modification work on the ranch. Building new pens and fences, tearing down an old barn and fixing up another one, etc.  I would walk the mile home from the bus stop, and my mother and father would be out working.  On the kitchen table would be  ten hot dogs, a loaf of bread, mustard and a pan.  I would put the hot dogs in the pan to steam while I changed clothes.  I would lay out ten slices of bread, mustard them. and add the hot dogs.  After I finished my home from school snack, I would go out and work until dark, then do the chores, eat supper, listen to the radio a little and go to bed. 

Best hot dogs I ever ate, I got from a little meat market in southeast Missouri.  They  had a course ground texture, and had a good hot dog taste.  

In Colombia I had a grilled sausage made of  organ meats, and my friend had one made of cow mammary gland.  I liked mine better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t eat hot dogs much anymore.  As a friend said some time back, they used to taste really good. I occasionally will buy a pack, and be disappointed at them, even the Kosher ones.</p>
<p>When I was in high school, we did a lot of building and modification work on the ranch. Building new pens and fences, tearing down an old barn and fixing up another one, etc.  I would walk the mile home from the bus stop, and my mother and father would be out working.  On the kitchen table would be  ten hot dogs, a loaf of bread, mustard and a pan.  I would put the hot dogs in the pan to steam while I changed clothes.  I would lay out ten slices of bread, mustard them. and add the hot dogs.  After I finished my home from school snack, I would go out and work until dark, then do the chores, eat supper, listen to the radio a little and go to bed. </p>
<p>Best hot dogs I ever ate, I got from a little meat market in southeast Missouri.  They  had a course ground texture, and had a good hot dog taste.  </p>
<p>In Colombia I had a grilled sausage made of  organ meats, and my friend had one made of cow mammary gland.  I liked mine better.</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/08/17/the-case-for-vegan-hot-dogs/#comment-489176</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At 64 I know I should cut back on meat but ......I&#039;ll have that 3/4&quot; rib steak medium rare please with emphasis on the rare. ;) (Ads my wife is Jewish we eat kosher dogs when we do)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 64 I know I should cut back on meat but &#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;ll have that 3/4&#8243; rib steak medium rare please with emphasis on the rare. 😉 (Ads my wife is Jewish we eat kosher dogs when we do)</p>
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		By: Bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t quarrel with your information. However, I don&#039;t think you give the cultural impact of the hot dog enough weight. The fact is, it is associated with good times such as baseball games, picnics, and barbecues. That is the big draw, I believe, for most people. The item itself as a food isn&#039;t that important and can be replaced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t quarrel with your information. However, I don&#8217;t think you give the cultural impact of the hot dog enough weight. The fact is, it is associated with good times such as baseball games, picnics, and barbecues. That is the big draw, I believe, for most people. The item itself as a food isn&#8217;t that important and can be replaced.</p>
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		By: JR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 14:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recently discovered that Field Roast frankfurters are pretty dang good. (And a hit with at least one meat-eater I know.) http://www.fieldroast.com/products/retail/frankfurter/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently discovered that Field Roast frankfurters are pretty dang good. (And a hit with at least one meat-eater I know.) <a href="http://www.fieldroast.com/products/retail/frankfurter/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fieldroast.com/products/retail/frankfurter/</a></p>
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		By: Chiral		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 01:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before I started raising my own meat, I was vegetarian and our favorite hot dog substitute was this recipe from vegan dad.  So tasty, especially with home made ketchup  :) http://vegandad.blogspot.com/2008/03/homemade-sausages.html?m=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before I started raising my own meat, I was vegetarian and our favorite hot dog substitute was this recipe from vegan dad.  So tasty, especially with home made ketchup  🙂 <a href="http://vegandad.blogspot.com/2008/03/homemade-sausages.html?m=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://vegandad.blogspot.com/2008/03/homemade-sausages.html?m=1</a></p>
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