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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2016 02:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The plan could not have been much simpler. Moody had to be the one to pull off the port key. Moody was only hired to keep an eye on Karkaroff. No tourney, no Karkaroff. No Karkaroff, no Moody. No Moody, no port key.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plan could not have been much simpler. Moody had to be the one to pull off the port key. Moody was only hired to keep an eye on Karkaroff. No tourney, no Karkaroff. No Karkaroff, no Moody. No Moody, no port key.</p>
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		By: Jaideep Singh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaideep Singh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 03:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Greg : First of all....a very interesting theory &#038; we Harry Potter fans can make as many as we want untill officially recognized by Madam JK Rowling... 
Secondly : If you have read the entire series you would know Voldemort feared only one Wizard Albus Dumbuldore .. So by abducting Harry abruptly from any where in Hogwarts or outside by means of portkey or any other means would have alerted the greatest Wizard who had taken Harry&#039;s safety as his personal task... If any such activity would have taken in the book 4 Albus would have been always gone to rescue HP.. Which in turn would have been a flaw to the dark lords plan.. 
Now Dark lord needed precisely a way where he can device the great Dumbuldore  for a short time till the time he can come back in mortal form... 
He knew about the Triwizard tournament .. He knew what the last task would be ... (In a maze) ... He knew that it would be the task least visible to Hogwarts teachers and students..which gives a perfect camaflogue as no one would know the whereabouts of the champions once inside untill the call for help.. 
Now about how did Mad eye create a portkey... 
Well Dumbledore had lifted the enchantments of Hogwarts to create a portkey which would take the champion who first touches it from inside of the maze to outside ..He untrusted the task to Barty junior assuming he is Mad eye moody... He took the opportunity to create the portkey which would take them to dark Lord.... 
Dumbledore also trusted Mad eye to look over Harry once inside the maze through his magical eye.. Thus ensuring his safety... ( we now know he was an imposter) 
So I don&#039;t think it has to do with any greatness or stuff., voldemort didn&#039;t actually care the blood of a Triwizard champion winner... He just cared his return should not be japeodized by any flaws in the plan...and should be at the right moment...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg : First of all&#8230;.a very interesting theory &amp; we Harry Potter fans can make as many as we want untill officially recognized by Madam JK Rowling&#8230;<br />
Secondly : If you have read the entire series you would know Voldemort feared only one Wizard Albus Dumbuldore .. So by abducting Harry abruptly from any where in Hogwarts or outside by means of portkey or any other means would have alerted the greatest Wizard who had taken Harry&#8217;s safety as his personal task&#8230; If any such activity would have taken in the book 4 Albus would have been always gone to rescue HP.. Which in turn would have been a flaw to the dark lords plan..<br />
Now Dark lord needed precisely a way where he can device the great Dumbuldore  for a short time till the time he can come back in mortal form&#8230;<br />
He knew about the Triwizard tournament .. He knew what the last task would be &#8230; (In a maze) &#8230; He knew that it would be the task least visible to Hogwarts teachers and students..which gives a perfect camaflogue as no one would know the whereabouts of the champions once inside untill the call for help..<br />
Now about how did Mad eye create a portkey&#8230;<br />
Well Dumbledore had lifted the enchantments of Hogwarts to create a portkey which would take the champion who first touches it from inside of the maze to outside ..He untrusted the task to Barty junior assuming he is Mad eye moody&#8230; He took the opportunity to create the portkey which would take them to dark Lord&#8230;.<br />
Dumbledore also trusted Mad eye to look over Harry once inside the maze through his magical eye.. Thus ensuring his safety&#8230; ( we now know he was an imposter)<br />
So I don&#8217;t think it has to do with any greatness or stuff., voldemort didn&#8217;t actually care the blood of a Triwizard champion winner&#8230; He just cared his return should not be japeodized by any flaws in the plan&#8230;and should be at the right moment&#8230;</p>
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		By: baylee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baylee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[love it  love it love it love it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love it  love it love it love it</p>
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		By: baylee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[baylee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[that is really good i love harry potter i am on the fourth book right now it is really good]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is really good i love harry potter i am on the fourth book right now it is really good</p>
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		By: dakota jacob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dakota jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[really it all just comes down to the portkeys. it&#039;s gonna take a complicated plan just to get a working portkey inside the school grounds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really it all just comes down to the portkeys. it&#8217;s gonna take a complicated plan just to get a working portkey inside the school grounds.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brandon, yes, that is all true and it also helps fill in the supposed plot hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon, yes, that is all true and it also helps fill in the supposed plot hole.</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw Dwight was 100% correct and he answered why Voldemort didn&#039;t just capture him earlier when he explained that if Harry just went missing it would not have been good for him at all.  It&#039;s made quite clear that underage wizards are tracked through some magical means very closely by many, including the Ministry of Magic and Harry, being as famous and important as he was, would have been prioritized the moment he vanished.   And tracked and found and then Voldemort&#039;s plan would have been worthless.  Plus  he needed TIME before he could just Capture the worlds most famous Wizard because as was already explained,  he was pretty much dead before the potion Pettigrew brew and even the Polyjuice potion took an entire month to finish.  Imagine one that could bring somebody from the brink of death...And not just a regular death, but one the pretty much separated his soul from his body.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw Dwight was 100% correct and he answered why Voldemort didn&#8217;t just capture him earlier when he explained that if Harry just went missing it would not have been good for him at all.  It&#8217;s made quite clear that underage wizards are tracked through some magical means very closely by many, including the Ministry of Magic and Harry, being as famous and important as he was, would have been prioritized the moment he vanished.   And tracked and found and then Voldemort&#8217;s plan would have been worthless.  Plus  he needed TIME before he could just Capture the worlds most famous Wizard because as was already explained,  he was pretty much dead before the potion Pettigrew brew and even the Polyjuice potion took an entire month to finish.  Imagine one that could bring somebody from the brink of death&#8230;And not just a regular death, but one the pretty much separated his soul from his body.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good points, Brendon. But their relevance to the theory may depend on whether or not Voldemort has read his Jung.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Brendon. But their relevance to the theory may depend on whether or not Voldemort has read his Jung.</p>
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		By: Brandon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brandon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Laden.  I believe your super Harry theory is flawed.  You talk about how building Harry into a proper &quot;hero&quot; would somehow strengthen his use as an ingredient to bring back Voldemort&#039;s power.  But the amount of challenges someone has faced and/or overcome does nothing in the way of giving someone&#039;s blood more potency.  It is true that hero&#039;s generally face a series of challenges before being recognized as a hero, and yes in a lot of stories there are 7.  But this isn&#039;t some magical power giving ceremony.  It is simply that, a recognition of someones accomplishments.  The term &quot;hero&quot; is nothing more than a title applied to someone who has earned it by proving his/her worth.  Meaning that the power was already there to begin with but as the challenges were rigged, these accomplishments are surface oriented at best.  The theory of building Harry up only to be brought down is a much more effective solution than yours and in no way ties in with your own theory.  Harry is targeted because of a personal vendetta the dark lord has with him and quite possibly because (as Dumbledore explained) Harry was given some of Voldemort&#039;s power (Parselmouth for example) and needs Harry&#039;s blood specifically to regain is true full power.  The Idea that Harry needs to be made into a hero first is a bit ridiculous because this in no way makes Harry&#039;s blood better as an ingredient than it was before.  These accomplishments or challenges serve only to give Harry more experience as a wizard and to say that they are somehow linked with Harry&#039;s use as an ingredient serves no purpose in real logic and to be quite honest, it&#039;s a bit surprising you would blog about it as if it&#039;s some genius idea when in reality it makes little sense..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Laden.  I believe your super Harry theory is flawed.  You talk about how building Harry into a proper &#8220;hero&#8221; would somehow strengthen his use as an ingredient to bring back Voldemort&#8217;s power.  But the amount of challenges someone has faced and/or overcome does nothing in the way of giving someone&#8217;s blood more potency.  It is true that hero&#8217;s generally face a series of challenges before being recognized as a hero, and yes in a lot of stories there are 7.  But this isn&#8217;t some magical power giving ceremony.  It is simply that, a recognition of someones accomplishments.  The term &#8220;hero&#8221; is nothing more than a title applied to someone who has earned it by proving his/her worth.  Meaning that the power was already there to begin with but as the challenges were rigged, these accomplishments are surface oriented at best.  The theory of building Harry up only to be brought down is a much more effective solution than yours and in no way ties in with your own theory.  Harry is targeted because of a personal vendetta the dark lord has with him and quite possibly because (as Dumbledore explained) Harry was given some of Voldemort&#8217;s power (Parselmouth for example) and needs Harry&#8217;s blood specifically to regain is true full power.  The Idea that Harry needs to be made into a hero first is a bit ridiculous because this in no way makes Harry&#8217;s blood better as an ingredient than it was before.  These accomplishments or challenges serve only to give Harry more experience as a wizard and to say that they are somehow linked with Harry&#8217;s use as an ingredient serves no purpose in real logic and to be quite honest, it&#8217;s a bit surprising you would blog about it as if it&#8217;s some genius idea when in reality it makes little sense..</p>
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		By: Amber		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay so there&#039;s some very good points here and I for one disagree completely with the plotholers. I loved GoF and not once did i think it was needlessly long, it&#039;s a novel.
From a writers perspective, what the length of the book does is remind us that the books aren&#039;t just about a battle between good and evil, they&#039;re about a lot more. The&#039;re about the trials and tribulations of growing up, first love, school and friendship. 
They also the idea that everything is not what is always seems, Barty Crouch jr for example and this sets the premises for the truth about Snape&#039;s allegiance and even Dumbledore&#039;s past.


From the perspective of Voldemort himself, reasons why he would not have just taken Harry from school...

1) most likely Portkeys would not work on the hogwarts grounds, just as apparating doesn&#039;t, so he needed to wait for a moment when those restrictions weren&#039;t in place.

2) I like the idea of Harry completing levels and the 7 trials of a hero, though I don&#039;t think that has anything to do with Voldy&#039;s plans, more to do with developing Harry&#039;s character and also others, Ron for example, we get to see more of his character, the jealousy he feels towards Harry 

3) voldemort couldn&#039;t just take harry out of nowhere, like someone said above, he prefers to keep things secret, the maze was a good cover for Harry&#039;s sudden disappearance.
 
just the main points in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay so there&#8217;s some very good points here and I for one disagree completely with the plotholers. I loved GoF and not once did i think it was needlessly long, it&#8217;s a novel.<br />
From a writers perspective, what the length of the book does is remind us that the books aren&#8217;t just about a battle between good and evil, they&#8217;re about a lot more. The&#8217;re about the trials and tribulations of growing up, first love, school and friendship.<br />
They also the idea that everything is not what is always seems, Barty Crouch jr for example and this sets the premises for the truth about Snape&#8217;s allegiance and even Dumbledore&#8217;s past.</p>
<p>From the perspective of Voldemort himself, reasons why he would not have just taken Harry from school&#8230;</p>
<p>1) most likely Portkeys would not work on the hogwarts grounds, just as apparating doesn&#8217;t, so he needed to wait for a moment when those restrictions weren&#8217;t in place.</p>
<p>2) I like the idea of Harry completing levels and the 7 trials of a hero, though I don&#8217;t think that has anything to do with Voldy&#8217;s plans, more to do with developing Harry&#8217;s character and also others, Ron for example, we get to see more of his character, the jealousy he feels towards Harry </p>
<p>3) voldemort couldn&#8217;t just take harry out of nowhere, like someone said above, he prefers to keep things secret, the maze was a good cover for Harry&#8217;s sudden disappearance.</p>
<p>just the main points in my opinion.</p>
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