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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I think the whole kerfuffle is overblown. But for the sake of discussion, I&#039;m not convinced that the book-cover-judgement approach adds much insight to the conversation.

Suppose that context may have something to do with it. For one thing, the original of that photo or ones like it have already been all over the media without this particular kind of controversy. And you have to wonder whether or not the police photographer, who is after all a professional photographer, may have some insight into images that isn&#039;t necessarily obvious to a blasé observer (their production, meaning, interpretation, and impacts). Why just assume that he doesn&#039;t, for instance, understand the purpose of the rules he broke? Or that he (or others) just can&#039;t understand the relation of books to covers? 

How would that photo have been handled on the covers of other publications, and would the reaction have been the same? Maybe not. On The New Yorker maybe some sly, cocktail hour cartoon comment on hipster irony. The WSJ: a small black and white faux engraving. And so on. The possibilities are endless. The Rolling Stone blew it up, cropped, masked, adjusted its tone, and gave it an in-your-face setting that also gets used to showcase rock stars.

I understand that scientist types may not be very passionate about art, but for all that&#039;s been written about it over the centuries, there must be something interesting left to say about a given image and its implications by those specially trained in analysis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think the whole kerfuffle is overblown. But for the sake of discussion, I&#8217;m not convinced that the book-cover-judgement approach adds much insight to the conversation.</p>
<p>Suppose that context may have something to do with it. For one thing, the original of that photo or ones like it have already been all over the media without this particular kind of controversy. And you have to wonder whether or not the police photographer, who is after all a professional photographer, may have some insight into images that isn&#8217;t necessarily obvious to a blasé observer (their production, meaning, interpretation, and impacts). Why just assume that he doesn&#8217;t, for instance, understand the purpose of the rules he broke? Or that he (or others) just can&#8217;t understand the relation of books to covers? </p>
<p>How would that photo have been handled on the covers of other publications, and would the reaction have been the same? Maybe not. On The New Yorker maybe some sly, cocktail hour cartoon comment on hipster irony. The WSJ: a small black and white faux engraving. And so on. The possibilities are endless. The Rolling Stone blew it up, cropped, masked, adjusted its tone, and gave it an in-your-face setting that also gets used to showcase rock stars.</p>
<p>I understand that scientist types may not be very passionate about art, but for all that&#8217;s been written about it over the centuries, there must be something interesting left to say about a given image and its implications by those specially trained in analysis.</p>
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		By: G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with you on this.  The cover makes the legitimate point that cute kids can be murderous monsters, and vice-versa, which is a lesson we as a culture desperately need to learn.   This, regardless of whatever editorial intent the Rolling Stone had in mind (and the whole &quot;edgy&quot; thing is rapidly getting old).  

And how many people have been conned out of their savings by sociopaths who happen to also have been born with good looks or a good voice or various communicative skills?  

Re. Carolyn H at #4:  &quot;Don&#039;t judge a soul by its face.&quot;  Exactly.  Perfect.  Instant contagious meme.  (And atheists can also use that one, by way of the word &quot;soul&quot; being a metaphor for &quot;mind and character.&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on this.  The cover makes the legitimate point that cute kids can be murderous monsters, and vice-versa, which is a lesson we as a culture desperately need to learn.   This, regardless of whatever editorial intent the Rolling Stone had in mind (and the whole &#8220;edgy&#8221; thing is rapidly getting old).  </p>
<p>And how many people have been conned out of their savings by sociopaths who happen to also have been born with good looks or a good voice or various communicative skills?  </p>
<p>Re. Carolyn H at #4:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t judge a soul by its face.&#8221;  Exactly.  Perfect.  Instant contagious meme.  (And atheists can also use that one, by way of the word &#8220;soul&#8221; being a metaphor for &#8220;mind and character.&#8221;)</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People don&#039;t want to believe, let alone be reminded, that the face of evil can be that of an ordinary person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t want to believe, let alone be reminded, that the face of evil can be that of an ordinary person.</p>
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		By: David Formanek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Formanek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Compare and contrast, as they say in art history, the Madness of Hercules, and Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare and contrast, as they say in art history, the Madness of Hercules, and Dr. Jeffrey MacDonald.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good points, Carolyn.   And John Wayne Gacy was a clown at times, everybody trusts clowns, right? Well, maybe not.  But still, yes, I agree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Carolyn.   And John Wayne Gacy was a clown at times, everybody trusts clowns, right? Well, maybe not.  But still, yes, I agree.</p>
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		By: Carolyn H		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carolyn H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another one who looked nice but wasn&#039;t was Ted Bundy--handsome guy, even preppy-looking.  I&#039;m sure that face lured more young women to their deaths than would have happened if he&#039;d been snaggle-toothed and unkempt.  Lots of people seem to equate good-looking with being nice or friendly and those who are not good-looking are seen as everything from not as smart to not as nice.  The old adage &quot;don&#039;t judge a book by its cover&quot; is still true, though many still seem to think that saying refers to only books and not to people.  Maybe we should change that adage to &quot;don&#039;t judge a soul by its face.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another one who looked nice but wasn&#8217;t was Ted Bundy&#8211;handsome guy, even preppy-looking.  I&#8217;m sure that face lured more young women to their deaths than would have happened if he&#8217;d been snaggle-toothed and unkempt.  Lots of people seem to equate good-looking with being nice or friendly and those who are not good-looking are seen as everything from not as smart to not as nice.  The old adage &#8220;don&#8217;t judge a book by its cover&#8221; is still true, though many still seem to think that saying refers to only books and not to people.  Maybe we should change that adage to &#8220;don&#8217;t judge a soul by its face.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Me too, Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too, Eric.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This perfectly nice looking guy is on trial in Boston, right now, for some 17 murders (and more).&lt;/i&gt;

If that&#039;s who I think it is, his brother was president of the Massachusetts Senate when I lived there. People seemed to accept that that&#039;s just how things were: two brothers each reaching the top of his chosen field.

It&#039;s been like that for a long time. People in English-speaking cultures want to be able to look at a face and say that yes, that person is a criminal (or an upstanding citizen--it works both ways). Nor do I think it&#039;s limited to the West: there was a minor scandal at the Beijing Olympics over a child singer who had the look the organizers wanted lip synching over a recording by a child who had the voice they wanted, but not the looks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This perfectly nice looking guy is on trial in Boston, right now, for some 17 murders (and more).</i></p>
<p>If that&#8217;s who I think it is, his brother was president of the Massachusetts Senate when I lived there. People seemed to accept that that&#8217;s just how things were: two brothers each reaching the top of his chosen field.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been like that for a long time. People in English-speaking cultures want to be able to look at a face and say that yes, that person is a criminal (or an upstanding citizen&#8211;it works both ways). Nor do I think it&#8217;s limited to the West: there was a minor scandal at the Beijing Olympics over a child singer who had the look the organizers wanted lip synching over a recording by a child who had the voice they wanted, but not the looks.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 16:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good article, and I agree pretty much with what you&#039;re saying.

OTOH, you could say that RS was intentionally pushing buttons to promote sales, partly by glamorizing Tsarnaev. There are a couple of questionable tendencies in certain segments of pop culture; to glamorize jerks, gangsters, criminals and also to go over the top in terms of editorial bad taste in order to be edgy (as in some fashion layouts).

Frankly I find the stir interesting for its amplification in an age when there&#039;s so much visual cacophany that response tends to be indifferent to any one piece of noise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, and I agree pretty much with what you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>OTOH, you could say that RS was intentionally pushing buttons to promote sales, partly by glamorizing Tsarnaev. There are a couple of questionable tendencies in certain segments of pop culture; to glamorize jerks, gangsters, criminals and also to go over the top in terms of editorial bad taste in order to be edgy (as in some fashion layouts).</p>
<p>Frankly I find the stir interesting for its amplification in an age when there&#8217;s so much visual cacophany that response tends to be indifferent to any one piece of noise.</p>
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