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	Comments on: Are you fat? You can&#8217;t earn a PhD, according to one Evolutionary Psychologist	</title>
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		By: james ainoris		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/08/geoffrey-miller-unm-fat-tweet/#comment-488317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[james ainoris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been an engineer for quite some time and found that a PhD in anything besides science or medicine is  usually psuedoscince.... Much of the findings or conclusions in social science cannot be verified by plaecebo double blind methods...iq and mmpi tests like the bell curve were shown to be racist ...many of the leading nuclear physicists had average or low iqs..Richard Feynman abhorred this kind of nonsense... We should focus on more critical issues facing our world and stop funding such silly eugenic style  tripe.Fat people ? Indeed...next you will start measuring cranial volumes again lol. Please put your good brain to a positive use. Shalom james ainoris]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been an engineer for quite some time and found that a PhD in anything besides science or medicine is  usually psuedoscince&#8230;. Much of the findings or conclusions in social science cannot be verified by plaecebo double blind methods&#8230;iq and mmpi tests like the bell curve were shown to be racist &#8230;many of the leading nuclear physicists had average or low iqs..Richard Feynman abhorred this kind of nonsense&#8230; We should focus on more critical issues facing our world and stop funding such silly eugenic style  tripe.Fat people ? Indeed&#8230;next you will start measuring cranial volumes again lol. Please put your good brain to a positive use. Shalom james ainoris</p>
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		By: Sorcha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sorcha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is also the assumption that willpower is some kind of personality trait that you either have or don&#039;t have. 

Whereas AFAIK there&#039;s just as much evidence that willpower operates more like a muscle, in that you can build it by exercise but you can also tire it through overuse. Someone who is using all their willpower to control their eating may not have any left over to work on a PhD.

My love handles are just evidence that I&#039;m reserving my willpower for more important things than diet ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also the assumption that willpower is some kind of personality trait that you either have or don&#8217;t have. </p>
<p>Whereas AFAIK there&#8217;s just as much evidence that willpower operates more like a muscle, in that you can build it by exercise but you can also tire it through overuse. Someone who is using all their willpower to control their eating may not have any left over to work on a PhD.</p>
<p>My love handles are just evidence that I&#8217;m reserving my willpower for more important things than diet 😉</p>
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		By: Dan J. Andrews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan J. Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BS on the inflammatory tweet idea. 

You can apply his statement to numerous items. Someone already mentioned if you don&#039;t have the willpower to stop drinking...

Aside from that, there is the fallacy of the assumption that excess weight is strictly from excess carbs. And how &quot;fat&quot; is too &quot;fat&quot;? 10 pds, 25 pds--is this a &quot;I can&#039;t define it, but I know it when I see it&quot; idea? 

What about a skinny person who doesn&#039;t exercise at all and at 25 has the arteries of a 65 year old? Are they not able to do a PhD because s/he lacks the willpower to exercise, improve his health and conditioning?

My sis-in-law is still overweight and has been dieting and exercising for a couple of decades now, very consistently too.  So she watches what she eats, she exercises, and has done this year after year despite seeing very slow results...yet this prof thinks she doesn&#039;t have what it takes to get a PhD. With that kind of stick-to-it mentality, she&#039;d probably complete 2 PhDs in the time it takes most people to do one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BS on the inflammatory tweet idea. </p>
<p>You can apply his statement to numerous items. Someone already mentioned if you don&#8217;t have the willpower to stop drinking&#8230;</p>
<p>Aside from that, there is the fallacy of the assumption that excess weight is strictly from excess carbs. And how &#8220;fat&#8221; is too &#8220;fat&#8221;? 10 pds, 25 pds&#8211;is this a &#8220;I can&#8217;t define it, but I know it when I see it&#8221; idea? </p>
<p>What about a skinny person who doesn&#8217;t exercise at all and at 25 has the arteries of a 65 year old? Are they not able to do a PhD because s/he lacks the willpower to exercise, improve his health and conditioning?</p>
<p>My sis-in-law is still overweight and has been dieting and exercising for a couple of decades now, very consistently too.  So she watches what she eats, she exercises, and has done this year after year despite seeing very slow results&#8230;yet this prof thinks she doesn&#8217;t have what it takes to get a PhD. With that kind of stick-to-it mentality, she&#8217;d probably complete 2 PhDs in the time it takes most people to do one.</p>
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		By: ron		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/08/geoffrey-miller-unm-fat-tweet/#comment-488314</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BMI is junk science : http://tinyurl.com/mnguek
Null link: waist size - dissertation work ethic
(source from before last week...so the point must be invalid)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMI is junk science : <a href="http://tinyurl.com/mnguek" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/mnguek</a><br />
Null link: waist size &#8211; dissertation work ethic<br />
(source from before last week&#8230;so the point must be invalid)</p>
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		By: weirdnoise		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/08/geoffrey-miller-unm-fat-tweet/#comment-488313</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weirdnoise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I bet on door #3: he&#039;s making up a lame excuse in an attempt to cover his ass. In which case I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s more offensive, the lie or the assumption that we&#039;re too stupid to notice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet on door #3: he&#8217;s making up a lame excuse in an attempt to cover his ass. In which case I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s more offensive, the lie or the assumption that we&#8217;re too stupid to notice.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/08/geoffrey-miller-unm-fat-tweet/#comment-488312</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Miller now claims that he is carrying out a research project in which he produces inflammatory tweets.&lt;/i&gt;

If this claim is true, then either (1) an Institutional Review Board approved this research or (2) he is doing unapproved research on human subjects. In the first case, he should be able to produce a copy of the IRB approval for his protocol, and he should be able to produce the detailed protocol that was approved (if he doesn&#039;t have that, either he&#039;s lying about IRB approval or the IRB is so toothless as to be of no value). I would bet on door #2, which only requires us to assume that the guy is a jerk (and the evidence so far, including what Frank @9 turned up, is consistent with that assumption).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Miller now claims that he is carrying out a research project in which he produces inflammatory tweets.</i></p>
<p>If this claim is true, then either (1) an Institutional Review Board approved this research or (2) he is doing unapproved research on human subjects. In the first case, he should be able to produce a copy of the IRB approval for his protocol, and he should be able to produce the detailed protocol that was approved (if he doesn&#8217;t have that, either he&#8217;s lying about IRB approval or the IRB is so toothless as to be of no value). I would bet on door #2, which only requires us to assume that the guy is a jerk (and the evidence so far, including what Frank @9 turned up, is consistent with that assumption).</p>
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		By: Frank S.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/08/geoffrey-miller-unm-fat-tweet/#comment-488311</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 17:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The fat quote has gotten a lot of attention, but these quotes seem more incendiary:

2009:

http://www.economist.com/node/14742737

&quot;In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.&quot;

2010:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d50ch5aiybaocu/2010%20polygenic%20mutations.docx

&quot;We may need to find radical new ways to reconcile the empirical facts about human diversity with our classical liberal values of equality, meritocracy, democracy, and multiculturalism.  In short, evolutionary genetics is undermining the old anthropological assumption about ‘the psychic unity of mankind’, and we better learn the scientific and moral sophistication to deal constructively with the consequences.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fat quote has gotten a lot of attention, but these quotes seem more incendiary:</p>
<p>2009:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.economist.com/node/14742737" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.economist.com/node/14742737</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In a nutshell: the new genetics will reveal much less than hoped about how to cure disease, and much more than feared about human evolution and inequality, including genetic differences between classes, ethnicities and races.&#8221;</p>
<p>2010:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d50ch5aiybaocu/2010%20polygenic%20mutations.docx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dropbox.com/s/3d50ch5aiybaocu/2010%20polygenic%20mutations.docx</a></p>
<p>&#8220;We may need to find radical new ways to reconcile the empirical facts about human diversity with our classical liberal values of equality, meritocracy, democracy, and multiculturalism.  In short, evolutionary genetics is undermining the old anthropological assumption about ‘the psychic unity of mankind’, and we better learn the scientific and moral sophistication to deal constructively with the consequences.&#8221;</p>
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		By: photoillum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[photoillum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 15:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you don&#039;t have the willpower to contain your inner douchebag, you probably don&#039;t have the willpower to keep your job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t have the willpower to contain your inner douchebag, you probably don&#8217;t have the willpower to keep your job.</p>
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		By: Nick Theodorakis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Theodorakis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[edit: The antecedent for the &quot;he&quot; in my second sentence above is Miller, not PZ, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>edit: The antecedent for the &#8220;he&#8221; in my second sentence above is Miller, not PZ, of course.</p>
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		By: Nick Theodorakis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Theodorakis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 13:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder what PZ&#039;s take on this would be, given his love of evo-psych.

I also wonder if he makes his students wear &lt;a href=&quot;http://jezebel.com/abercrombie-doesnt-want-gross-fat-people-wearing-their-489583439&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abercrombie and Fitch&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what PZ&#8217;s take on this would be, given his love of evo-psych.</p>
<p>I also wonder if he makes his students wear <a href="http://jezebel.com/abercrombie-doesnt-want-gross-fat-people-wearing-their-489583439" rel="nofollow">Abercrombie and Fitch</a>.</p>
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