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		By: G.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488265</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What to do about those obscurantists in the Senate: 

Ringie-ringie!

&quot;Mr. President, this is Senator Inhofe from Oklahoma calling.  You saw the news about that tornado we just had, right?&quot;

&quot;Hi Jim.  Yes, I saw the news.  2.6 miles in diameter and winds over 250 miles per hour.  My heart goes out to everyone in Oklahoma...&quot;

&quot;Mr. President, as much as I&#039;d prefer not to depend on government aid, there&#039;s something I have to ask.  FEMA has been great so far, but we&#039;re going to need serious money to rebuild.  Something along the lines of...&quot;

&quot;Jim, I gotta&#039; level with you.  The consensus of science is that climate change will produce an increase in the frequency and severity of violent storms...&quot;

&quot;Mr. President, now&#039;s not the time for...&quot;

&quot;Yes it is, Jim, just like confronting someone with the fact that they have a drinking problem the day after they get pulled over for DUI.  You&#039;re as much in denial as someone with alcoholism.  Your denial is directly responsible for preventable harm to others.&quot;

&quot;Mr. President, let&#039;s not get political at a time like this.&quot;

Jim, it&#039;s not politics, it&#039;s science.  It&#039;s reality.  So here&#039;s the deal.  If you want any further aid in rebuilding after this tornado, or any other tornado as long as I&#039;m in office, you&#039;ll come out and make a speech on the Senate floor declaring that climate change is real, is caused by human activities, and is occurring now.  I&#039;ll take that speech as a good faith gesture and you&#039;ll get the aid you requested.  But then you have to follow up.  There&#039;s going to be a new climate bill introduced in two months.  I&#039;m counting on you to co-sponsor it and make sure it passes.&quot;

&quot;But Mr. President, I can&#039;t-&quot; 

&quot;You can&#039;t? Famous last words from every alcoholic who refused to acknowledge he had a drinking problem.  Let&#039;s not confuse won&#039;t with can&#039;t.  Now you know I don&#039;t like playing hardball, but climate change is as serious as a heart attack and the time for softball on it is long over.  By the way, this is exactly how President Johnson got the civil rights laws passed.  And history shows he was right.  You have two days to think it over.  Feel free to call me any time, OK Jim?&quot;

&quot;Yes Mr. President.  Thanks.&quot;

&quot;Goodbye.&quot;

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to do about those obscurantists in the Senate: </p>
<p>Ringie-ringie!</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President, this is Senator Inhofe from Oklahoma calling.  You saw the news about that tornado we just had, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Jim.  Yes, I saw the news.  2.6 miles in diameter and winds over 250 miles per hour.  My heart goes out to everyone in Oklahoma&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President, as much as I&#8217;d prefer not to depend on government aid, there&#8217;s something I have to ask.  FEMA has been great so far, but we&#8217;re going to need serious money to rebuild.  Something along the lines of&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Jim, I gotta&#8217; level with you.  The consensus of science is that climate change will produce an increase in the frequency and severity of violent storms&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President, now&#8217;s not the time for&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes it is, Jim, just like confronting someone with the fact that they have a drinking problem the day after they get pulled over for DUI.  You&#8217;re as much in denial as someone with alcoholism.  Your denial is directly responsible for preventable harm to others.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President, let&#8217;s not get political at a time like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jim, it&#8217;s not politics, it&#8217;s science.  It&#8217;s reality.  So here&#8217;s the deal.  If you want any further aid in rebuilding after this tornado, or any other tornado as long as I&#8217;m in office, you&#8217;ll come out and make a speech on the Senate floor declaring that climate change is real, is caused by human activities, and is occurring now.  I&#8217;ll take that speech as a good faith gesture and you&#8217;ll get the aid you requested.  But then you have to follow up.  There&#8217;s going to be a new climate bill introduced in two months.  I&#8217;m counting on you to co-sponsor it and make sure it passes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But Mr. President, I can&#8217;t-&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t? Famous last words from every alcoholic who refused to acknowledge he had a drinking problem.  Let&#8217;s not confuse won&#8217;t with can&#8217;t.  Now you know I don&#8217;t like playing hardball, but climate change is as serious as a heart attack and the time for softball on it is long over.  By the way, this is exactly how President Johnson got the civil rights laws passed.  And history shows he was right.  You have two days to think it over.  Feel free to call me any time, OK Jim?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes Mr. President.  Thanks.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Goodbye.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Goodbye.&#8221;</p>
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		By: James Vance		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Vance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the only way we are gonna get around these idiots are to remove them from the equation. Only those of higher intellect AND higher education should be allowed in politics. plain and simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only way we are gonna get around these idiots are to remove them from the equation. Only those of higher intellect AND higher education should be allowed in politics. plain and simple.</p>
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		By: G.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 04:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, there was an operating thorium reactor in the US in the 1960s.  It was eventually shut down because it wasn&#039;t seen as justified to operate a second entire fuel cycle when the infrastructure for the uranium fuel cycle was already in place.

Realistically we could also go for an expansion of uranium and plutonium fueled reactors, and with reprocessing, extend the fuel supply hundreds of years: more than sufficient time for breakthroughs in fusion research, and the deployment of commercial fusion reactors.  

The chief problem with uranium and plutonium is the risk of nuclear weapons proliferation, which limits the spread of fission technology to countries that can handle it responsibly.  Thorium can&#039;t be used to make nuclear weapons: we could give the technology to every unstable regime on Earth and not have to worry about them doing what North Korea did and Iran is trying mightily to do.

The underlying issue here is baseload power that is not subject to intermittency.  Wind is good for at most 30% of grid power (speaking from engineering experience in the industry), and if you assume solar is good for 50%, you still have 20% that has to come from &quot;somewhere.&quot;  Geothermal is promising but still experimental.  

Natural gas is the best of the fossil fuels, and can be used for &quot;dispatchable power&quot; via gas turbines that can be spun up to cover peak demand periods.  But natural gas shouldn&#039;t be counted on for baseload, because the atmosphere doesn&#039;t care where its excess CO2 load comes from.   No matter how you cut the pie, there&#039;s still a need for fission in the mix, and thorium could solve that issue globally without risk of nuclear weapons proliferation.

BTW, I have no connections whatsoever to the nuclear industry, whether uranium, plutonium, or thorium.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, there was an operating thorium reactor in the US in the 1960s.  It was eventually shut down because it wasn&#8217;t seen as justified to operate a second entire fuel cycle when the infrastructure for the uranium fuel cycle was already in place.</p>
<p>Realistically we could also go for an expansion of uranium and plutonium fueled reactors, and with reprocessing, extend the fuel supply hundreds of years: more than sufficient time for breakthroughs in fusion research, and the deployment of commercial fusion reactors.  </p>
<p>The chief problem with uranium and plutonium is the risk of nuclear weapons proliferation, which limits the spread of fission technology to countries that can handle it responsibly.  Thorium can&#8217;t be used to make nuclear weapons: we could give the technology to every unstable regime on Earth and not have to worry about them doing what North Korea did and Iran is trying mightily to do.</p>
<p>The underlying issue here is baseload power that is not subject to intermittency.  Wind is good for at most 30% of grid power (speaking from engineering experience in the industry), and if you assume solar is good for 50%, you still have 20% that has to come from &#8220;somewhere.&#8221;  Geothermal is promising but still experimental.  </p>
<p>Natural gas is the best of the fossil fuels, and can be used for &#8220;dispatchable power&#8221; via gas turbines that can be spun up to cover peak demand periods.  But natural gas shouldn&#8217;t be counted on for baseload, because the atmosphere doesn&#8217;t care where its excess CO2 load comes from.   No matter how you cut the pie, there&#8217;s still a need for fission in the mix, and thorium could solve that issue globally without risk of nuclear weapons proliferation.</p>
<p>BTW, I have no connections whatsoever to the nuclear industry, whether uranium, plutonium, or thorium.</p>
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		By: Obstreperous Applesauce		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488262</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obstreperous Applesauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What it means to have conservative cred: being... well, you know.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214353/-Conservatives-hating-what-you-like-because-you-like-it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it means to have conservative cred: being&#8230; well, you know.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214353/-Conservatives-hating-what-you-like-because-you-like-it" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214353/-Conservatives-hating-what-you-like-because-you-like-it</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488261</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 14:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that there are no thorium reactors.  I&#039;m not convinced it is a real thing.  I&#039;m willing to be convinced but there would have to be evidence.  At present, the pro-thorium industry seems to have created a convincing looking but substance fee fiction.  So, the downsides might be a) it is not possible and b) the industry has already gone beyond the traditional nuclear power industry&#039;s skill in making things up.  

Am I right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that there are no thorium reactors.  I&#8217;m not convinced it is a real thing.  I&#8217;m willing to be convinced but there would have to be evidence.  At present, the pro-thorium industry seems to have created a convincing looking but substance fee fiction.  So, the downsides might be a) it is not possible and b) the industry has already gone beyond the traditional nuclear power industry&#8217;s skill in making things up.  </p>
<p>Am I right?</p>
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		By: G.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488260</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 04:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Smart conservatives such as Stephen are people we can discuss &#038; debate with, and reach reasonable outcomes.   We don&#039;t have to end up agreeing on everything; the important part is to move ahead on a practical basis that works.  

For example, climate change is probably the biggest opportunity for a new technology boom the world has seen in a century.  A relatively small input of gov money for development of thorium reactors could pay off hugely, revitalize some of our most important industries, and put us in the position to export the technology worldwide.  Streamlined licensing procedures and tax incentives for investment would overcome the inertia to new reactor construction.  There&#039;s no downside I can see in this picture.  This should be part of a convergent solution that&#039;s a win/win for everyone involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart conservatives such as Stephen are people we can discuss &amp; debate with, and reach reasonable outcomes.   We don&#8217;t have to end up agreeing on everything; the important part is to move ahead on a practical basis that works.  </p>
<p>For example, climate change is probably the biggest opportunity for a new technology boom the world has seen in a century.  A relatively small input of gov money for development of thorium reactors could pay off hugely, revitalize some of our most important industries, and put us in the position to export the technology worldwide.  Streamlined licensing procedures and tax incentives for investment would overcome the inertia to new reactor construction.  There&#8217;s no downside I can see in this picture.  This should be part of a convergent solution that&#8217;s a win/win for everyone involved.</p>
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		By: GregH		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488259</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GregH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 21:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, life and political decision-making is not a series of clear-cut black and white choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, life and political decision-making is not a series of clear-cut black and white choices.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488258</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Additionally Stephen, a little research will show you that for the past several decades the economy has done better when the Democratic Party is in the White House than when the Republicans have been: same with the budget. The Republicans stopped being fiscally responsible pre-Reagan (who was himself far from fiscally responsible).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally Stephen, a little research will show you that for the past several decades the economy has done better when the Democratic Party is in the White House than when the Republicans have been: same with the budget. The Republicans stopped being fiscally responsible pre-Reagan (who was himself far from fiscally responsible).</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen, you are voting for a policy that ignores the external cost of burning fossil carbon.  I&#039;m not sure that is smart. Well, actually, I&#039;m sure it is not smart but I&#039;m trying to be polite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, you are voting for a policy that ignores the external cost of burning fossil carbon.  I&#8217;m not sure that is smart. Well, actually, I&#8217;m sure it is not smart but I&#8217;m trying to be polite.</p>
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		By: Miriam		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/06/06/right-wing-science/#comment-488256</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miriam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 05:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stephen Colbert&#039;s (and Neil deGrasse Tyson&#039;s) take on Bill&#039;s theology.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/370183/january-06-2011/bill-o-reilly-proves-god-s-existence---neil-degrasse-tyson]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Colbert&#8217;s (and Neil deGrasse Tyson&#8217;s) take on Bill&#8217;s theology.<br />
<a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/370183/january-06-2011/bill-o-reilly-proves-god-s-existence---neil-degrasse-tyson" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/370183/january-06-2011/bill-o-reilly-proves-god-s-existence&#8212;neil-degrasse-tyson</a></p>
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