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		By: Another Week of Anthropocene Antics, May 26, 2013 &#8211; A Few Things Ill Considered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Week of Anthropocene Antics, May 26, 2013 &#8211; A Few Things Ill Considered]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 2013/05/20: GLaden: Why Global Warming&#8217;s Effects Will Be Worse Than You Were Thinking [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 14:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, this is not the shoreline we are looking at to predict sea level rise. The relevant shoreline is the Eemian shoreline, not this one. So, this is only very marginally relevant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, this is not the shoreline we are looking at to predict sea level rise. The relevant shoreline is the Eemian shoreline, not this one. So, this is only very marginally relevant.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 14:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that would be nice.  The situation is indeed complicated, but the high strandline is not confined to that coast, it is found around the world.  Each case has to be examined on its own merits.  The land moves up and down, and the shape of the surface of the sea varies.  You can&#039;t just look at a single shoreline and make an estimate of earlier sea level. However, nor can you look at a single interplay between sea level surface and tectonics and rule out a particular strand line.  

I&#039;ve not looked at this specific research project, so I can&#039;t comment on it specifically yet but I&#039;d be surprised if a single attempt at revision of a single area obviates all the research around the world that seems to come to the same conclusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that would be nice.  The situation is indeed complicated, but the high strandline is not confined to that coast, it is found around the world.  Each case has to be examined on its own merits.  The land moves up and down, and the shape of the surface of the sea varies.  You can&#8217;t just look at a single shoreline and make an estimate of earlier sea level. However, nor can you look at a single interplay between sea level surface and tectonics and rule out a particular strand line.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not looked at this specific research project, so I can&#8217;t comment on it specifically yet but I&#8217;d be surprised if a single attempt at revision of a single area obviates all the research around the world that seems to come to the same conclusion.</p>
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		By: Bob Whiite		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Whiite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 08:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good news, revised data, I guess you didn&#039;t get the memo..; 
&quot;... sea level was about 5 to 7 meters higher than now.&quot; 
Was based on wrong data.
New data is here; 
&quot;...new research suggests this shoreline is actually about 30 feet (10 meters) lower than previously thought, meaning less ice melted than suspected.&quot;
http://news.yahoo.com/earths-mantle-affects-sea-level-rise-estimates-191150100.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news, revised data, I guess you didn&#8217;t get the memo..;<br />
&#8220;&#8230; sea level was about 5 to 7 meters higher than now.&#8221;<br />
Was based on wrong data.<br />
New data is here;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;new research suggests this shoreline is actually about 30 feet (10 meters) lower than previously thought, meaning less ice melted than suspected.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/earths-mantle-affects-sea-level-rise-estimates-191150100.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.yahoo.com/earths-mantle-affects-sea-level-rise-estimates-191150100.html</a></p>
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		By: Chris Winter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Winter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 14:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, melting ice lowers the temperature of the atmosphere and/or ocean water nearby, which slows down the rate of global warming somewhat.

But, when the ice cubes in a drink melt, the drink will continue to get warmer because the room air is warmer still. So with the globe.

For the globe, this does give us some extra time. How much is impossible to say at present. But this would only matter if the heat imbalance were somehow corrected soon. Prospects for that appear dim.

By the way, this is not &quot;amelioration.&quot; That word implies a permanent fix for some problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, melting ice lowers the temperature of the atmosphere and/or ocean water nearby, which slows down the rate of global warming somewhat.</p>
<p>But, when the ice cubes in a drink melt, the drink will continue to get warmer because the room air is warmer still. So with the globe.</p>
<p>For the globe, this does give us some extra time. How much is impossible to say at present. But this would only matter if the heat imbalance were somehow corrected soon. Prospects for that appear dim.</p>
<p>By the way, this is not &#8220;amelioration.&#8221; That word implies a permanent fix for some problem.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 15:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[why does no-one mention the latent heat required to melt all this ice, this is ameliorating the temperature rise (I got this from James Lovelock) but I have yet to see it come up in an article]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why does no-one mention the latent heat required to melt all this ice, this is ameliorating the temperature rise (I got this from James Lovelock) but I have yet to see it come up in an article</p>
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		By: Lessons From Moore, Oklahoma Tornado (whispers of &#8220;Andrea&#8221; within 2 weeks?)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lessons From Moore, Oklahoma Tornado (whispers of &#8220;Andrea&#8221; within 2 weeks?)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] to see changes over time with any statistical confidence. I address many of these issues hereand here&#8230;&#8221;Image credit: this frame-grab from the 1986 Brooklyn Park, Springbrook Nature Center [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to see changes over time with any statistical confidence. I address many of these issues hereand here&#8230;&#8221;Image credit: this frame-grab from the 1986 Brooklyn Park, Springbrook Nature Center [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Vegan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vegan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...there is no good news...&quot;

We have recently hosted a debate about global warming and I was surprised how personal and aggressive it could get. I can not see how this can resolve in the upcoming years. 

The problem is the research itself. There are many theoretical flaws and biased researches nowadays.

My own goal is to promote &lt;a href=&quot;http://juliekinnear.com/blogs/toronto-vegan-restaurants&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;veganism&lt;/a&gt; - it is probably the first reasonable step to reducing CO2 after the heavy industry and many coal plants that are still in work. 

Changing our lifestyle can have a serious impact on how global warming proceeds. And I don&#039;t even mention the problem with droughts and the shrinkage of the drinking water in many regions of the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;there is no good news&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>We have recently hosted a debate about global warming and I was surprised how personal and aggressive it could get. I can not see how this can resolve in the upcoming years. </p>
<p>The problem is the research itself. There are many theoretical flaws and biased researches nowadays.</p>
<p>My own goal is to promote <a href="http://juliekinnear.com/blogs/toronto-vegan-restaurants" rel="nofollow">veganism</a> &#8211; it is probably the first reasonable step to reducing CO2 after the heavy industry and many coal plants that are still in work. </p>
<p>Changing our lifestyle can have a serious impact on how global warming proceeds. And I don&#8217;t even mention the problem with droughts and the shrinkage of the drinking water in many regions of the world.</p>
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		By: Tony O'Brien		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony O'Brien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 21:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amongst those who recognize a problem, there is this sense that once we wise up and stop treating the atmosphere as a dump thing will magically get better. Unfortunately this is not true.

Mainly because of the large amount of heat the oceans hold and therefore the time they take to heat up, there are some huge lags in the system. 

We have yet to see the extra heating from the Arctic Sea Ice that has already disappeared. No sea ice, less albedo, more heat stays in.

As well as all the CO2 we emit, we are also emitting aerosols. These aerosols are masking about half of the impact of the CO2 we have put up there. If we stopped polluting today they would wash out in twelve months or so.

So when we stop polluting, it will get worse and get worse very quickly. The longer we leave, it the higher the price of our Faustian bargain.

Forget the Eemian, we are headed to the Pliocene at a rate a biosphere will not be able to keep up with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amongst those who recognize a problem, there is this sense that once we wise up and stop treating the atmosphere as a dump thing will magically get better. Unfortunately this is not true.</p>
<p>Mainly because of the large amount of heat the oceans hold and therefore the time they take to heat up, there are some huge lags in the system. </p>
<p>We have yet to see the extra heating from the Arctic Sea Ice that has already disappeared. No sea ice, less albedo, more heat stays in.</p>
<p>As well as all the CO2 we emit, we are also emitting aerosols. These aerosols are masking about half of the impact of the CO2 we have put up there. If we stopped polluting today they would wash out in twelve months or so.</p>
<p>So when we stop polluting, it will get worse and get worse very quickly. The longer we leave, it the higher the price of our Faustian bargain.</p>
<p>Forget the Eemian, we are headed to the Pliocene at a rate a biosphere will not be able to keep up with.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even with the poles warming faster than the equator, horizontal temperature gradients aren&#039;t going away. As anybody who has ever lived near the ocean knows, the higher heat capacity of water means that inland areas warm faster during the day than areas along the immediate coast. The resulting sea breezes lead to thunderstorms in certain areas, such as Florida, although usually not tornadoes.

The key thing will be what happens to the jet stream. If it simply moves poleward, then Tornado Alley will probably shift poleward as well. But if we see more meandering, as has been the case the last few years, the likely result will be more tornadoes over a wider area than previously. That would be bad news for places like the Canadian prairie and New England, where tornadoes have been rare (although the Canadian prairie is the only place outside the US that has ever seen an F5/EF5 tornado).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with the poles warming faster than the equator, horizontal temperature gradients aren&#8217;t going away. As anybody who has ever lived near the ocean knows, the higher heat capacity of water means that inland areas warm faster during the day than areas along the immediate coast. The resulting sea breezes lead to thunderstorms in certain areas, such as Florida, although usually not tornadoes.</p>
<p>The key thing will be what happens to the jet stream. If it simply moves poleward, then Tornado Alley will probably shift poleward as well. But if we see more meandering, as has been the case the last few years, the likely result will be more tornadoes over a wider area than previously. That would be bad news for places like the Canadian prairie and New England, where tornadoes have been rare (although the Canadian prairie is the only place outside the US that has ever seen an F5/EF5 tornado).</p>
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