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		By: New Bird Flu Spreads Beyond China: Is the World Ready?New Bird Flu Spreads Beyond China: Is the World Ready? &#124; Care2 Causes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: With over a 20% mortality rate, the H7N9 could be the new threat that globalist opportunists will be sure to extort. &#124; Family Survival Protocol		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 22:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: CHINA BIRD FLU CASES AND MORTALITY ARE HIGHER : Dr. Pinna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 16:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Early Flu Season Found Lurking in Social Data &#124; Tim Batchelder.com		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Magpie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 03:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Beijing boy who was asymptomatic is good news and bad news. The good is that the number of infected is likely to be much higher than reported, so the percentage-fatality rate is also likely to be a lot lower.

The bad news is the same thing: the number of infected is likely to be much higher. That could mean the virus is getting WAY more opportunities to mutate to something better adapted to humans.

It also means that it’s likely this flu will be like others: a complete bastard of a thing to halt if it gets going. SARS was comparatively easy by comparison: infected people almost universally had fevers, and only people with fevers were shedding much virus. That’s easy to track, even if you get a lot of false positives. 

If this, like other flus, has asymptomatic carriers, and / or people shedding some virus before they show symptoms, then the only regional-quarantine effort worth a damn will be a 100%, 6-day effort, which frankly no-one would have the political will to implement early enough (IMO).

We’ll be down to social distancing, masks and hand-washing, antivirals and ECMO, and pneumovax and antibiotics – which are all good, they help, but we’re not likely to shut this down like we did SARS.

Having said all of that, I’d happily put money on this NOT becoming a human pandemic. I reckon it’s more likely to settle down to something wussy, lurk around like H5N1 has, or vanish into the night altogether. 

Just, as I said on another blog, I wouldn’t put ALL my money on it.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Beijing boy who was asymptomatic is good news and bad news. The good is that the number of infected is likely to be much higher than reported, so the percentage-fatality rate is also likely to be a lot lower.</p>
<p>The bad news is the same thing: the number of infected is likely to be much higher. That could mean the virus is getting WAY more opportunities to mutate to something better adapted to humans.</p>
<p>It also means that it’s likely this flu will be like others: a complete bastard of a thing to halt if it gets going. SARS was comparatively easy by comparison: infected people almost universally had fevers, and only people with fevers were shedding much virus. That’s easy to track, even if you get a lot of false positives. </p>
<p>If this, like other flus, has asymptomatic carriers, and / or people shedding some virus before they show symptoms, then the only regional-quarantine effort worth a damn will be a 100%, 6-day effort, which frankly no-one would have the political will to implement early enough (IMO).</p>
<p>We’ll be down to social distancing, masks and hand-washing, antivirals and ECMO, and pneumovax and antibiotics – which are all good, they help, but we’re not likely to shut this down like we did SARS.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I’d happily put money on this NOT becoming a human pandemic. I reckon it’s more likely to settle down to something wussy, lurk around like H5N1 has, or vanish into the night altogether. </p>
<p>Just, as I said on another blog, I wouldn’t put ALL my money on it.<br />
🙂</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks.  I&#039;ve been watching closely, unsure as to when to update.

The mortality rate is only of the reported infections, so given that extra sick people go to the hospital it is probably (we hope) a worst case scenario.  So that&#039;s good.  A little.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I&#8217;ve been watching closely, unsure as to when to update.</p>
<p>The mortality rate is only of the reported infections, so given that extra sick people go to the hospital it is probably (we hope) a worst case scenario.  So that&#8217;s good.  A little.</p>
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		By: Doug Alder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Alder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 04:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg - the most recent information is 60 infected 13 dead - a 21%mortality rate - see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22141290]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; the most recent information is 60 infected 13 dead &#8211; a 21%mortality rate &#8211; see <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22141290" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22141290</a></p>
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		By: Friday peak &#124; Seeds Aside		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Apr 2013 02:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That site is surprisingly not very up to date.]]></description>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Check out the 2013 H7N9 Influenza A Outbreak link on the IRD home page to learn more about possible sequence determinants of human adaptation of this avian flu strain - http://www.fludb.org/brc/home.do?decorator=influenza .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the 2013 H7N9 Influenza A Outbreak link on the IRD home page to learn more about possible sequence determinants of human adaptation of this avian flu strain &#8211; <a href="http://www.fludb.org/brc/home.do?decorator=influenza" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fludb.org/brc/home.do?decorator=influenza</a> .</p>
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