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		By: Another Week of GW NEws, February 17, 2013 &#8211; A Few Things Ill Considered		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Week of GW NEws, February 17, 2013 &#8211; A Few Things Ill Considered]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] 2013/02/10: GLaden: Finding Nemo [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 2013/02/10: GLaden: Finding Nemo [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jordan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486010</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article was a good read and had many good points that it stressed. Ive definitely noticed myself over the past few years that the weather in the winter has changed. It seems there are more milder temperature days that weren&#039;t there before. I live in Eastern MD; growing up 10 years ago I remember not necessarily having more snow then than now, but having a greater number of weaker storms. I also dont remember the temperature fluctuating so much. Seems like in my area the winter now is filled with fluctuating temps, accompanied by a few massive storms caused by rising global temps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was a good read and had many good points that it stressed. Ive definitely noticed myself over the past few years that the weather in the winter has changed. It seems there are more milder temperature days that weren&#8217;t there before. I live in Eastern MD; growing up 10 years ago I remember not necessarily having more snow then than now, but having a greater number of weaker storms. I also dont remember the temperature fluctuating so much. Seems like in my area the winter now is filled with fluctuating temps, accompanied by a few massive storms caused by rising global temps.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486009</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 01:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jennifer: Yes, good question.  I said that in the blog post because I communicated with various climate scientists who had mentioned it but I didn&#039;t have a handy link to include. 

Here is a map of SST anomalies around the time of the storm:

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomw.2.7.2013.gif

Red and yellow represents more than expected/normal temperature, and you can see that the US East Coast and Maritimes have plenty of extra heat as does the North Atlantic in general. The region has been anomalysly  warm for weeks, probably all winter.

Globally sea surface temperatures pretty much everywhere have been high. The ocean itself is significantly warmer over the last few decades than previously, and that is reflected in SST&#039;s in part.  

When you see the typical global warming temperature graph, that is a combination of sea surface temperature and air temperature (usually, not always) because the heat that is out there is constantly transferring between the two. 

This has resulted in more storminess in that region.  http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/02/08/extreme-weather-in-the-us-northeast-and-climate-change/

We have much less data on the deeper ocean temperatures but there are indications that the deep sea is also warming. Considering the heat holding capacities of the sea and its volume, this is impressive. One concern is that the ocean is taking a large amount of the CO2 and heat, and once it reaches a certain level will not accept much more (I&#039;ve oversimplified that)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer: Yes, good question.  I said that in the blog post because I communicated with various climate scientists who had mentioned it but I didn&#8217;t have a handy link to include. </p>
<p>Here is a map of SST anomalies around the time of the storm:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomw.2.7.2013.gif" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2013/anomw.2.7.2013.gif</a></p>
<p>Red and yellow represents more than expected/normal temperature, and you can see that the US East Coast and Maritimes have plenty of extra heat as does the North Atlantic in general. The region has been anomalysly  warm for weeks, probably all winter.</p>
<p>Globally sea surface temperatures pretty much everywhere have been high. The ocean itself is significantly warmer over the last few decades than previously, and that is reflected in SST&#8217;s in part.  </p>
<p>When you see the typical global warming temperature graph, that is a combination of sea surface temperature and air temperature (usually, not always) because the heat that is out there is constantly transferring between the two. </p>
<p>This has resulted in more storminess in that region.  <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/02/08/extreme-weather-in-the-us-northeast-and-climate-change/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/02/08/extreme-weather-in-the-us-northeast-and-climate-change/</a></p>
<p>We have much less data on the deeper ocean temperatures but there are indications that the deep sea is also warming. Considering the heat holding capacities of the sea and its volume, this is impressive. One concern is that the ocean is taking a large amount of the CO2 and heat, and once it reaches a certain level will not accept much more (I&#8217;ve oversimplified that)</p>
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		By: Jennifer		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486008</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I liked your article, and i do believe in global warming. But i was wondering if you had specific data about the water temperatures that enhanced Nemo, or if that was just a general fact you were presenting.

Though I am in school now in Western Mass., I am from the Boston Area and it was interesting to see your comparison of Boston and Minnesota, seeing as I would have promoted the myth that they had more precipitation,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked your article, and i do believe in global warming. But i was wondering if you had specific data about the water temperatures that enhanced Nemo, or if that was just a general fact you were presenting.</p>
<p>Though I am in school now in Western Mass., I am from the Boston Area and it was interesting to see your comparison of Boston and Minnesota, seeing as I would have promoted the myth that they had more precipitation,</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486007</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Storm tracks also make a big difference. Two or three years ago, metro DC got four major snowstorms in one winter. Only one of those four produced a significant snowfall at my location (New Hampshire Seacoast); the other three passed too far south. On other occasions, the storm will pass west of me, and we will see rain here despite the snow in New York City (the Blizzard of 1888 is a historical example; it was a major snow event for New York City, but in Boston it was only a routine snowfall because so much of the precipitation fell as rain).

Part of the reason for the perception of Minneapolis as snowier than Boston is that in Minnesota, being colder, any snow that falls in December and January tends to stay on the ground until March or even April. Coastal New England does not always keep its snow cover. Ski areas in New England play on a similar perception: their business is better when it snows in Boston, because people assume (often incorrectly) that the ski areas got even more snow. There is a correlation between mountainous terrain and snowfall: storms tend to drop more precipitation on the windward slopes (and downwind areas tend to be much drier, as can be seen in the transition from rainforest to desert as you move inland from the Washington coast). But most of the storms that produce snow in Boston approach from the wrong direction for that effect to be of much help to the ski resorts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storm tracks also make a big difference. Two or three years ago, metro DC got four major snowstorms in one winter. Only one of those four produced a significant snowfall at my location (New Hampshire Seacoast); the other three passed too far south. On other occasions, the storm will pass west of me, and we will see rain here despite the snow in New York City (the Blizzard of 1888 is a historical example; it was a major snow event for New York City, but in Boston it was only a routine snowfall because so much of the precipitation fell as rain).</p>
<p>Part of the reason for the perception of Minneapolis as snowier than Boston is that in Minnesota, being colder, any snow that falls in December and January tends to stay on the ground until March or even April. Coastal New England does not always keep its snow cover. Ski areas in New England play on a similar perception: their business is better when it snows in Boston, because people assume (often incorrectly) that the ski areas got even more snow. There is a correlation between mountainous terrain and snowfall: storms tend to drop more precipitation on the windward slopes (and downwind areas tend to be much drier, as can be seen in the transition from rainforest to desert as you move inland from the Washington coast). But most of the storms that produce snow in Boston approach from the wrong direction for that effect to be of much help to the ski resorts.</p>
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		By: ppnl		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486006</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here in Georgia I had flowers bloom out on Feb. 6th. There was a bloom on the apple tree in December. I don&#039;t know how common this kind of thing is but it looked really weird. At least it is easier to deal with than blizzards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Georgia I had flowers bloom out on Feb. 6th. There was a bloom on the apple tree in December. I don&#8217;t know how common this kind of thing is but it looked really weird. At least it is easier to deal with than blizzards.</p>
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		By: John Olson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Olson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 04:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting give and take with Jeff.  Duluth&#039;s 80.7&quot; is substantially aided by Duluth&#039;s location on the shore of Lake Superior as is Buffalo&#039;s by virtue of Lake Erie.  The premise of proximity to water and high snowfall seems to hold!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting give and take with Jeff.  Duluth&#8217;s 80.7&#8243; is substantially aided by Duluth&#8217;s location on the shore of Lake Superior as is Buffalo&#8217;s by virtue of Lake Erie.  The premise of proximity to water and high snowfall seems to hold!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486004</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll see your Duluth and raise you the equivilant in the NE (a city in the snow belt): Buffalo!!  91.3 inches of snow a year.  

Have you been up to Caribou? 111 inches.  

Min is about the size of most of New England so that counts too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll see your Duluth and raise you the equivilant in the NE (a city in the snow belt): Buffalo!!  91.3 inches of snow a year.  </p>
<p>Have you been up to Caribou? 111 inches.  </p>
<p>Min is about the size of most of New England so that counts too.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 03:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice article. Other than the fact that your Mass vs Minnesota statistics are completely wrong:

MINNESOTA:
Duluth, Minnesota averages 80.7 inches of snow per year 
International Falls = 65.5 inches per year
Minneapolis = 49.9

MASS
Boston averages 42.2 inches per year
Worcester = 67.6

So, you see, it is in fact you who is wrong about the MA vs MN are &quot;plain, simply, untrue.&quot; How are we to believe the rest of your knowledge if you base an entire article off of inaccurate climatological statistics?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. Other than the fact that your Mass vs Minnesota statistics are completely wrong:</p>
<p>MINNESOTA:<br />
Duluth, Minnesota averages 80.7 inches of snow per year<br />
International Falls = 65.5 inches per year<br />
Minneapolis = 49.9</p>
<p>MASS<br />
Boston averages 42.2 inches per year<br />
Worcester = 67.6</p>
<p>So, you see, it is in fact you who is wrong about the MA vs MN are &#8220;plain, simply, untrue.&#8221; How are we to believe the rest of your knowledge if you base an entire article off of inaccurate climatological statistics?</p>
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		By: Liath		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/02/10/finding-nemo/#comment-486002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very fine article greg. And yes, it is about time people stopped repeating, &quot;You can&#039;t attribute....blah, blah, blah.&quot; I&#039;m pleased that right wing word monger presuaded everyone to start using climate change rather than global warming. That&#039;s exactly what is going on--anthropogenic climate change. 

I do wish that comment sections had spell checkers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very fine article greg. And yes, it is about time people stopped repeating, &#8220;You can&#8217;t attribute&#8230;.blah, blah, blah.&#8221; I&#8217;m pleased that right wing word monger presuaded everyone to start using climate change rather than global warming. That&#8217;s exactly what is going on&#8211;anthropogenic climate change. </p>
<p>I do wish that comment sections had spell checkers.</p>
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