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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something went wrong with my previous post. Here&#039;s the rest: Conclusion: traditional paleo-anthropology (not the facts but the interpretations) is pre-darwinian anthropocentrism, wrong in almost every idea. (1) Australopiths are no human ancestors, but more likely fossil relatives of Pan or Gorilla, (2) the traditional views of fossil hominid lifestyles are very wrong: (a) australopiths were no bipedal runners, but wetland dwellers (vertical aquarboreals), who fed (at least seasonally) on wetland plants &#038; other foods, (b) H.erectus were no &quot;endurance runners&quot;, but typical littoral creatures, who soon dispersed intercontinentally along African &#038; Eurasian coasts, feeding on shellfish etc., (c) neandertals were no tundra dwellers, but probably wetland dwellers, who seasonally followed the river to the coast, and who ate all possibly edible waterside foods: drowned carcasses of ungulates, stranded whales, cattails, salmon, waterlily roots etc. (d) early H.sapiens were no savanna runners, but long-legged wetland dwellers, who also used complex distance weapons (spears, nets etc.) e.g. to hunt fish, fowl etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something went wrong with my previous post. Here&#8217;s the rest: Conclusion: traditional paleo-anthropology (not the facts but the interpretations) is pre-darwinian anthropocentrism, wrong in almost every idea. (1) Australopiths are no human ancestors, but more likely fossil relatives of Pan or Gorilla, (2) the traditional views of fossil hominid lifestyles are very wrong: (a) australopiths were no bipedal runners, but wetland dwellers (vertical aquarboreals), who fed (at least seasonally) on wetland plants &amp; other foods, (b) H.erectus were no &#8220;endurance runners&#8221;, but typical littoral creatures, who soon dispersed intercontinentally along African &amp; Eurasian coasts, feeding on shellfish etc., (c) neandertals were no tundra dwellers, but probably wetland dwellers, who seasonally followed the river to the coast, and who ate all possibly edible waterside foods: drowned carcasses of ungulates, stranded whales, cattails, salmon, waterlily roots etc. (d) early H.sapiens were no savanna runners, but long-legged wetland dwellers, who also used complex distance weapons (spears, nets etc.) e.g. to hunt fish, fowl etc.</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The mistake of traditional paleo-anthropology begins with believing that that the australopithecines are closer relatives of us than of the African apes because they were &quot;bipedal&quot;. Statistically, however, it&#039;s impossible that of the 5 or 6 extant hominid species (sensu African hominoids), 1 species (H.sapiens) has 1000s of fossil ancestors or relatives, and the other 4 or 5 species (common chimps, bonobo, lowland &#038; highland gorilla) have virtually no fossil relatives, as traditionally assumed. This can&#039;t be due to fossilisation bias, since the Asian great apes (orangutans) do have a lot of fossil relatives, e.g. Sivapithecus, Lufengpithecus, Gigantopithecus. Most likely, Pan &#038; Gorilla also had more bipedal ancestors, e.g. their fetuses still have humanlike feet (flat feet with long &#038; adducted big-toes): &quot;The embryo of a chimpanzee at one stage has a foot resembling that of man in that its great toe points forward ... Only as it approaches its birth size does its foot acquire the appearance of a hand. At no stage of its development does the human foot resemble that of an adult ape&quot; (C.S.Coon), IOW, the human flat foot is probably more primitive than adult chimp &#038; gorilla feet. Running animals invariably have very long &#038; strong middle toes, the opposite of australopiths, humans &#038; prenatal African apes, who have flat feet with rel.long first  last digital rays, which are typically seen in animals that swim or wade a lot. Australopiths fossilised in well-wooded &#038; well-watered regions (K.Reed 1997 JHE), very likely they often waded bipedally or even swam for sedges, papyrus, frogbit, waterlilies &#038; other wetland foods, like bonobos &#038; lowland gorillas still do but much more frequently (google e.g. &quot;bonobo wading&quot;, see illustrations). In a series of papers in Human Evolution in the 1990s, I showed that cranio-dentally, A.afarensis &#038; A.boisei (from E.Africa) resembled Gorilla more than Pan or Homo, and that A.africanus &#038; A.robustus (from S.Africa) resembled Pan more than Gorilla or Homo, see e.g. 1994 &quot;Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?&quot; Hum.Evol.9:121-139. I have no doubt that if proteins will be extracted from australopith teeth or bones, A.boisei will show to be a closer relative of Gorilla than of Pan of Homo, and A.robustus of Pan than of Gorilla or Homo.
What is the relevance of this for the AAH (= Pleistocene littoral dispersal of archaic Homo)? First that &quot;bipedalism&quot; is no argument pro or contra AAH (the early hominoids e-were probably already &quot;upright&quot; - gibbons &#038; humans still are). That AAH has to be situated, not before the australopiths (&#038; even Sahelanthropus c 7 Ma), but much later, in Homo, probably when all possibly-littoral features appear in the fossil record (after c 2 Ma): pachy-osteo-sclerosis, much larger brain, auditory exostoses, external nose, platycephaly long low flat brain-skull), platymeria (dorso-ventrally flatrtened thigh bones), fast intercontinental dispersal, colonisation of islands far overseas, etc.
Conclusion: tra]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mistake of traditional paleo-anthropology begins with believing that that the australopithecines are closer relatives of us than of the African apes because they were &#8220;bipedal&#8221;. Statistically, however, it&#8217;s impossible that of the 5 or 6 extant hominid species (sensu African hominoids), 1 species (H.sapiens) has 1000s of fossil ancestors or relatives, and the other 4 or 5 species (common chimps, bonobo, lowland &amp; highland gorilla) have virtually no fossil relatives, as traditionally assumed. This can&#8217;t be due to fossilisation bias, since the Asian great apes (orangutans) do have a lot of fossil relatives, e.g. Sivapithecus, Lufengpithecus, Gigantopithecus. Most likely, Pan &amp; Gorilla also had more bipedal ancestors, e.g. their fetuses still have humanlike feet (flat feet with long &amp; adducted big-toes): &#8220;The embryo of a chimpanzee at one stage has a foot resembling that of man in that its great toe points forward &#8230; Only as it approaches its birth size does its foot acquire the appearance of a hand. At no stage of its development does the human foot resemble that of an adult ape&#8221; (C.S.Coon), IOW, the human flat foot is probably more primitive than adult chimp &amp; gorilla feet. Running animals invariably have very long &amp; strong middle toes, the opposite of australopiths, humans &amp; prenatal African apes, who have flat feet with rel.long first  last digital rays, which are typically seen in animals that swim or wade a lot. Australopiths fossilised in well-wooded &amp; well-watered regions (K.Reed 1997 JHE), very likely they often waded bipedally or even swam for sedges, papyrus, frogbit, waterlilies &amp; other wetland foods, like bonobos &amp; lowland gorillas still do but much more frequently (google e.g. &#8220;bonobo wading&#8221;, see illustrations). In a series of papers in Human Evolution in the 1990s, I showed that cranio-dentally, A.afarensis &amp; A.boisei (from E.Africa) resembled Gorilla more than Pan or Homo, and that A.africanus &amp; A.robustus (from S.Africa) resembled Pan more than Gorilla or Homo, see e.g. 1994 &#8220;Australopithecines: Ancestors of the African Apes?&#8221; Hum.Evol.9:121-139. I have no doubt that if proteins will be extracted from australopith teeth or bones, A.boisei will show to be a closer relative of Gorilla than of Pan of Homo, and A.robustus of Pan than of Gorilla or Homo.<br />
What is the relevance of this for the AAH (= Pleistocene littoral dispersal of archaic Homo)? First that &#8220;bipedalism&#8221; is no argument pro or contra AAH (the early hominoids e-were probably already &#8220;upright&#8221; &#8211; gibbons &amp; humans still are). That AAH has to be situated, not before the australopiths (&amp; even Sahelanthropus c 7 Ma), but much later, in Homo, probably when all possibly-littoral features appear in the fossil record (after c 2 Ma): pachy-osteo-sclerosis, much larger brain, auditory exostoses, external nose, platycephaly long low flat brain-skull), platymeria (dorso-ventrally flatrtened thigh bones), fast intercontinental dispersal, colonisation of islands far overseas, etc.<br />
Conclusion: tra</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485832&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

And you agree, of course, like every sensible scientist...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485832">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>And you agree, of course, like every sensible scientist&#8230;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw that.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 21:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485830&quot;&gt;Jim Bowering&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Jim, yes, I&#039;ve seen this.  :-(  Prof.Roberts apparently hasn&#039;t even listened to the radio programmes, which provided several recent arguments (vernix caseosa, squalene, shell engravings, etc.) that our ancestors were at least waterside (in fact, H.erectus&#039; pachyostosis, ear exostoses, external nose, brain expansion etc. show they were littoral: frequently *diving* in shallow water). Roberts&#039; comments are irrelevant &#038; outdated, and her savanna ideas are just-so anthropocentrisms: &quot;The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed. The surprising frequency and diversity of foot problems (e.g. hammertoes, hallux valgus and bunions, ingrown nails, heelspurs, athlete’s feet, corns and calluses - some of these due to wearing shoes) and the need to protect our feet with shoes prove that human feet are not made in the first place for running. Moreover, humans are physiologically ill-adapted to dry open milieus:  “We have a water- and sodium-wasting cooling system of abundant sweat glands, totally unfit for a dry environment. Our maximal urine concentration is much too low for a savanna-dwelling mammal. We need much more water than other primates, and have to drink more often than savanna inhabitants, yet we cannot drink large quantities at a time” (Verhaegen 1987). This does not imply to say that human ancestors or relatives never lived on savannas, only that if they did, it was at the wetlands and rivers there. Apparently we evolved running - only lately, and only about half as fast as equids, bovids, felids or canids, and even slower than arboreal primates - *in spite of* our broad build, short toes and plantigrade feet, profuse sweating, and large subcutaneous fat tissues (a burden of &#062;10 kg in most people). Of course, healthy adult men can sometimes outrun ungulates (the usual ‘argument’ of conventional paleo-anthropologists) and provide a limited part of the calories for the group, but this dogged pursuit is largely confined to a few inland populations in East Africa today, is derived and probably very recent (less than a few thousands of years): it requires a rather specialized technology with water bags, weapons and poisons.&quot; (Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485830">Jim Bowering</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Jim, yes, I&#8217;ve seen this.  🙁  Prof.Roberts apparently hasn&#8217;t even listened to the radio programmes, which provided several recent arguments (vernix caseosa, squalene, shell engravings, etc.) that our ancestors were at least waterside (in fact, H.erectus&#8217; pachyostosis, ear exostoses, external nose, brain expansion etc. show they were littoral: frequently *diving* in shallow water). Roberts&#8217; comments are irrelevant &amp; outdated, and her savanna ideas are just-so anthropocentrisms: &#8220;The nowadays popular ideas about Pleistocene human ancestors running in open plains (‘endurance running’, ‘dogged pursuit of swifter animals’, ‘born to run’, ‘le singe coureur’, ‘Savannahstan’) are among the worst scientific hypotheses ever proposed. The surprising frequency and diversity of foot problems (e.g. hammertoes, hallux valgus and bunions, ingrown nails, heelspurs, athlete’s feet, corns and calluses &#8211; some of these due to wearing shoes) and the need to protect our feet with shoes prove that human feet are not made in the first place for running. Moreover, humans are physiologically ill-adapted to dry open milieus:  “We have a water- and sodium-wasting cooling system of abundant sweat glands, totally unfit for a dry environment. Our maximal urine concentration is much too low for a savanna-dwelling mammal. We need much more water than other primates, and have to drink more often than savanna inhabitants, yet we cannot drink large quantities at a time” (Verhaegen 1987). This does not imply to say that human ancestors or relatives never lived on savannas, only that if they did, it was at the wetlands and rivers there. Apparently we evolved running &#8211; only lately, and only about half as fast as equids, bovids, felids or canids, and even slower than arboreal primates &#8211; *in spite of* our broad build, short toes and plantigrade feet, profuse sweating, and large subcutaneous fat tissues (a burden of &gt;10 kg in most people). Of course, healthy adult men can sometimes outrun ungulates (the usual ‘argument’ of conventional paleo-anthropologists) and provide a limited part of the calories for the group, but this dogged pursuit is largely confined to a few inland populations in East Africa today, is derived and probably very recent (less than a few thousands of years): it requires a rather specialized technology with water bags, weapons and poisons.&#8221; (Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013).</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 19:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Marc and Greg.  Have you seen this?

https://theconversation.com/sorry-david-attenborough-we-didnt-evolve-from-aquatic-apes-heres-why-65570

It&#039;s a merciless attack on the same old straw men.

rjb]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marc and Greg.  Have you seen this?</p>
<p><a href="https://theconversation.com/sorry-david-attenborough-we-didnt-evolve-from-aquatic-apes-heres-why-65570" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconversation.com/sorry-david-attenborough-we-didnt-evolve-from-aquatic-apes-heres-why-65570</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a merciless attack on the same old straw men.</p>
<p>rjb</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 22:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485828&quot;&gt;Frank&lt;/a&gt;.

Frank, my article &quot;The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis&quot; (Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013) doesn&#039;t propose the &quot;basic AAH findings as something new&quot;, on the contrary: it argues that many pro-AAH as well as anti-AAH students have a lot of unproven preassumptions &#038; misconceptions on what they believe &quot;AAH&quot; is. In fact, the littoral theory (or &quot;coastal dispersal model&quot;, S.Munro 2010) is not about something that happened &#062;6 Ma as Elaine Morgan thought (her &quot;AAH&quot;), it&#039;s not about apes (aquatic or not), nor about australopiths, but about early-Pleistocene Homo following African &#038; Eurasian coasts.
The conventional paleo-anthropological view is that human ancestors became bipedal by moving from the forests to the plains (schematically: ape=&#062;human = forest=&#062;plain = 4-legged=&#062;bipedal). This is biologically &#038; physiologically unlikely, e.g. primates that move from forest to plain become more quadrupedal, not less (&quot;the baboon paradox&quot;); sweating requires salt &#038; water (both scarce in arid grasslands); etc.
An account of human evolution which discusses &quot;bipedality&quot; in arboreal &#038; terrestrial but not shallow-aquatic settings is incomplete. In fact, comparative, paleo-environmental &#038; other data show:
(1) Plio-Pleistocene australopithecines (fossil hominids (vs pongids), i.e. relatives of Pan-Homo-Gorilla) were typically swamp forest &#038; wetland species (e.g. K.Reed 1997 JHE). The combination of water + trees parsimoniously explains the remarkable combination of bipedality (e.g. for wading) + curved hand-bones (for vertical climbing) in australopiths (google &quot;aquarboreal&quot;). Human fetuses never have hand-like feet, but prenatal African apes have more humanlike feet (e.g. with longer &#038; adducted big toes) which later become more hand-like (e.g. C.Coon 1954). This suggests Pan &#038; Gorilla had more bipedal ancestors (e.g. parttime wading for papyrus, frogbit, waterlilies etc.), google e.g. &quot;bonobo wading&quot; or &quot;gorilla bai&quot;.
(2) Our Pleistocene ancestors (archaic Homo spp) did not disperse intercontinentally walking or running over the open grasslands, but simply followed African &#038; Eurasian coasts &#038; rivers (&quot;coastal dispersal model&quot;, S.Munro 2010), walking &#038; wading bipedally &#038; parttime diving for waterside, littoral &#038; shallow-aquatic foods (which are richest in brain-specific nutrients such as DHA, e.g. S.Cunnane 2005 &quot;Survival of the fattest&quot;), even colonizing islands overseas (no need to suppose boats or rafts): Flores, Crete, Cyprus etc.
Homo&#039;s diet included animal (e.g. shellfish opened with hard tools, waterside carcasses of herbivores &#038; marine mammals, salmon &#038; other fish) as well as plant foods (e.g. traces of waterlily roots in neanderthal dental calculus &#038; of cattails on their tools).
Homo&#039;s brain enlargement (e.g. DHA) &#038; parttime shallow diving (which requires breathing control) were preadaptive to human spoken language.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485828">Frank</a>.</p>
<p>Frank, my article &#8220;The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis&#8221; (Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013) doesn&#8217;t propose the &#8220;basic AAH findings as something new&#8221;, on the contrary: it argues that many pro-AAH as well as anti-AAH students have a lot of unproven preassumptions &amp; misconceptions on what they believe &#8220;AAH&#8221; is. In fact, the littoral theory (or &#8220;coastal dispersal model&#8221;, S.Munro 2010) is not about something that happened &gt;6 Ma as Elaine Morgan thought (her &#8220;AAH&#8221;), it&#8217;s not about apes (aquatic or not), nor about australopiths, but about early-Pleistocene Homo following African &amp; Eurasian coasts.<br />
The conventional paleo-anthropological view is that human ancestors became bipedal by moving from the forests to the plains (schematically: ape=&gt;human = forest=&gt;plain = 4-legged=&gt;bipedal). This is biologically &amp; physiologically unlikely, e.g. primates that move from forest to plain become more quadrupedal, not less (&#8220;the baboon paradox&#8221;); sweating requires salt &amp; water (both scarce in arid grasslands); etc.<br />
An account of human evolution which discusses &#8220;bipedality&#8221; in arboreal &amp; terrestrial but not shallow-aquatic settings is incomplete. In fact, comparative, paleo-environmental &amp; other data show:<br />
(1) Plio-Pleistocene australopithecines (fossil hominids (vs pongids), i.e. relatives of Pan-Homo-Gorilla) were typically swamp forest &amp; wetland species (e.g. K.Reed 1997 JHE). The combination of water + trees parsimoniously explains the remarkable combination of bipedality (e.g. for wading) + curved hand-bones (for vertical climbing) in australopiths (google &#8220;aquarboreal&#8221;). Human fetuses never have hand-like feet, but prenatal African apes have more humanlike feet (e.g. with longer &amp; adducted big toes) which later become more hand-like (e.g. C.Coon 1954). This suggests Pan &amp; Gorilla had more bipedal ancestors (e.g. parttime wading for papyrus, frogbit, waterlilies etc.), google e.g. &#8220;bonobo wading&#8221; or &#8220;gorilla bai&#8221;.<br />
(2) Our Pleistocene ancestors (archaic Homo spp) did not disperse intercontinentally walking or running over the open grasslands, but simply followed African &amp; Eurasian coasts &amp; rivers (&#8220;coastal dispersal model&#8221;, S.Munro 2010), walking &amp; wading bipedally &amp; parttime diving for waterside, littoral &amp; shallow-aquatic foods (which are richest in brain-specific nutrients such as DHA, e.g. S.Cunnane 2005 &#8220;Survival of the fattest&#8221;), even colonizing islands overseas (no need to suppose boats or rafts): Flores, Crete, Cyprus etc.<br />
Homo&#8217;s diet included animal (e.g. shellfish opened with hard tools, waterside carcasses of herbivores &amp; marine mammals, salmon &amp; other fish) as well as plant foods (e.g. traces of waterlily roots in neanderthal dental calculus &amp; of cattails on their tools).<br />
Homo&#8217;s brain enlargement (e.g. DHA) &amp; parttime shallow diving (which requires breathing control) were preadaptive to human spoken language.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2016 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This whole article seems like a &quot;watering down&quot; and rehash of the basic AAH findings proposed as something new.  The specifics are speculative in either case, but the aquatic component is key.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole article seems like a &#8220;watering down&#8221; and rehash of the basic AAH findings proposed as something new.  The specifics are speculative in either case, but the aquatic component is key.</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marc verhaegen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485826&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

Wrangham&#039;s delta hypothesis is based on our work (TREE), and Sarmiento usu.knows very well what he&#039;s talking about, we&#039;ve also discussed it, but whatever, apparently, you still don&#039;t get what we&#039;re saying, I don&#039;t &quot;use&quot; australopiths, we simply have to look at them in their own way, instead of confusing them withou our ancestors, it&#039;s not difficult at all, but you have to get rid of your preconceptions: 
- Plio-Pleistocene australopiths lived in swamp forests &#038; wetlands (this has nothing to do with Homo, e.g. please read Yohn cs 2005 PLoS: our direct ancestors might have been absent from Africa between at least 4 &#038; 3 Ma, possibly they lived then in S.Asian coastal forests),
- Pleistocene Homo dispersed along coasts &#038; rivers.
For a summary of my view, see &quot;The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis&quot; Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013, google researchGate marc verhaegen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/30/common-misconceptions-and-unproven-assumptions-about-the-aquatic-ape-theory/#comment-485826">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>Wrangham&#8217;s delta hypothesis is based on our work (TREE), and Sarmiento usu.knows very well what he&#8217;s talking about, we&#8217;ve also discussed it, but whatever, apparently, you still don&#8217;t get what we&#8217;re saying, I don&#8217;t &#8220;use&#8221; australopiths, we simply have to look at them in their own way, instead of confusing them withou our ancestors, it&#8217;s not difficult at all, but you have to get rid of your preconceptions:<br />
&#8211; Plio-Pleistocene australopiths lived in swamp forests &amp; wetlands (this has nothing to do with Homo, e.g. please read Yohn cs 2005 PLoS: our direct ancestors might have been absent from Africa between at least 4 &amp; 3 Ma, possibly they lived then in S.Asian coastal forests),<br />
&#8211; Pleistocene Homo dispersed along coasts &amp; rivers.<br />
For a summary of my view, see &#8220;The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis&#8221; Hum.Evol.28:237-266, 2013, google researchGate marc verhaegen.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2015 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wrangham is actually wrong about that.  We&#039;ve discussed it. The South African case is wetter, but not extensive, just streams and such, where the fossils are found.  The Delta Hypothesis is a different story, there I think we are on to something, but that is not based on any fossil evidence in the region. Plus, you were for a while there ruling out australopiths, now you are using them, so you may need to make up your mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrangham is actually wrong about that.  We&#8217;ve discussed it. The South African case is wetter, but not extensive, just streams and such, where the fossils are found.  The Delta Hypothesis is a different story, there I think we are on to something, but that is not based on any fossil evidence in the region. Plus, you were for a while there ruling out australopiths, now you are using them, so you may need to make up your mind.</p>
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