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		By: Scrynt Cauldein		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-925528</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scrynt Cauldein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2021 23:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The author might also have absolutely no problem at all with phrases like &quot;the whole, entire time&quot; and &quot;ATM machine&quot; and &quot;hot water heater&quot;...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author might also have absolutely no problem at all with phrases like &#8220;the whole, entire time&#8221; and &#8220;ATM machine&#8221; and &#8220;hot water heater&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Eugene Zavesky		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-580372</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene Zavesky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, I&#039;m in your neighborhood]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m in your neighborhood</p>
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		By: jjb		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-577776</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thankfully, I no longer live in California where this phenomenon was prevalent.   I now live in a part of the country where people are &#039;normal&#039; and don&#039;t don such airs.  Thank heavens!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, I no longer live in California where this phenomenon was prevalent.   I now live in a part of the country where people are &#8216;normal&#8217; and don&#8217;t don such airs.  Thank heavens!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 18:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-576799&quot;&gt;Scrynt Cauldein&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, so you can say, &quot;I&#039;m eating my rasher, leave me alone&quot; and that is correct. But a phrase like &quot;a rasher of bacon and a fried egg&quot; has been considered correct over the last century or so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-576799">Scrynt Cauldein</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, so you can say, &#8220;I&#8217;m eating my rasher, leave me alone&#8221; and that is correct. But a phrase like &#8220;a rasher of bacon and a fried egg&#8221; has been considered correct over the last century or so.</p>
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		By: Scrynt Cauldein		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-576799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scrynt Cauldein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485410&quot;&gt;MaryL&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;[...frying like a] rasher of bacon&quot;? Rasher IS bacon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485410">MaryL</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;[&#8230;frying like a] rasher of bacon&#8221;? Rasher IS bacon.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cockney was the same in-group identifier. Specifically it was inmate group identifier, done so that the guards who were not cockney would not know what was being said and planned.

Of course it then became set in stone since all communication requires a common set of meanings to actually convey information and it spread outside the prisons into the general culture and the guards eventually found out what the words meant.

It&#039;s not annoying, it&#039;s different. And therefore notable. And therefore the teenagers, being adults who are still &quot;wired&quot; by conditioning to be children and therefore trying to rewire the programming and find out who they, as an adult in this world, are, WANT to be noticed and different. And then others want to be like them to identify with whoever they are.

And, being notable, if it&#039;s not a speech pattern a &quot;grown up&quot; already knows and is comfortable with, finds the patterns and vocalisations unusual, unexpected, therefore grating.

When done by teenagers, there&#039;s zero problem. It&#039;s how they work out their difference from the child the parents and society wrote them to be.

If older, it is less useful since it is picked up from what&#039;s &quot;new&quot; as an affectation, not a re-learning process and the annoying is real.

But if they used to talk like that, then &quot;they don&#039;t know better&quot; (from an older generations&#039; POV) which can be laid as an issue either at the younger or the older generation. It&#039;s just learned preference and it&#039;s not faked on either side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cockney was the same in-group identifier. Specifically it was inmate group identifier, done so that the guards who were not cockney would not know what was being said and planned.</p>
<p>Of course it then became set in stone since all communication requires a common set of meanings to actually convey information and it spread outside the prisons into the general culture and the guards eventually found out what the words meant.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not annoying, it&#8217;s different. And therefore notable. And therefore the teenagers, being adults who are still &#8220;wired&#8221; by conditioning to be children and therefore trying to rewire the programming and find out who they, as an adult in this world, are, WANT to be noticed and different. And then others want to be like them to identify with whoever they are.</p>
<p>And, being notable, if it&#8217;s not a speech pattern a &#8220;grown up&#8221; already knows and is comfortable with, finds the patterns and vocalisations unusual, unexpected, therefore grating.</p>
<p>When done by teenagers, there&#8217;s zero problem. It&#8217;s how they work out their difference from the child the parents and society wrote them to be.</p>
<p>If older, it is less useful since it is picked up from what&#8217;s &#8220;new&#8221; as an affectation, not a re-learning process and the annoying is real.</p>
<p>But if they used to talk like that, then &#8220;they don&#8217;t know better&#8221; (from an older generations&#8217; POV) which can be laid as an issue either at the younger or the older generation. It&#8217;s just learned preference and it&#8217;s not faked on either side.</p>
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		By: Andrew Phillips		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Phillips]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even presenters on the BBC do it now, what hope is there?! Bad vocal habits being broadcast!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even presenters on the BBC do it now, what hope is there?! Bad vocal habits being broadcast!</p>
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		By: Andrew Phillips		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Phillips]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 08:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485418&quot;&gt;Brenda Mooney&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes its weird that it takes a while to isolate it in your mind in a way. I don&#039;t know what the States is like but over here in the UK it is pretty much epidemic now. I don&#039;t know why people keep thinking its a female thing... I&#039;ve seen it more often in women but its definitely affecting both sexes. Its so affected, I can&#039;t believe more people aren&#039;t annoyed about it or talking about it. Younger, trendier kids are far more likely to do it. Its the first thing I notice now. I can&#039;t tell you what a relief it is when you meet people who aren&#039;t doing it - their voices sound so good! I am actually worried about not being able to find a girl to go out with who doesn&#039;t do it now. I wouldn&#039;t be able to tolerate it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485418">Brenda Mooney</a>.</p>
<p>Yes its weird that it takes a while to isolate it in your mind in a way. I don&#8217;t know what the States is like but over here in the UK it is pretty much epidemic now. I don&#8217;t know why people keep thinking its a female thing&#8230; I&#8217;ve seen it more often in women but its definitely affecting both sexes. Its so affected, I can&#8217;t believe more people aren&#8217;t annoyed about it or talking about it. Younger, trendier kids are far more likely to do it. Its the first thing I notice now. I can&#8217;t tell you what a relief it is when you meet people who aren&#8217;t doing it &#8211; their voices sound so good! I am actually worried about not being able to find a girl to go out with who doesn&#8217;t do it now. I wouldn&#8217;t be able to tolerate it.</p>
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		By: Brenda Mooney		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/07/what-the-heck-is-vocal-fry/#comment-485418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brenda Mooney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 02:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, was I ever glad to read this.  I&#039;ve noticed this irritating style of speaking for some years now, and only recently discovered it has a name - Vocal Fry!! It&#039;s anything but the natural use of one&#039;s speaking voice - on the contrary, it,s so artificial, so annoying, so distracting to the listener. Why can&#039;t people just be natural?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, was I ever glad to read this.  I&#8217;ve noticed this irritating style of speaking for some years now, and only recently discovered it has a name &#8211; Vocal Fry!! It&#8217;s anything but the natural use of one&#8217;s speaking voice &#8211; on the contrary, it,s so artificial, so annoying, so distracting to the listener. Why can&#8217;t people just be natural?</p>
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		By: The problem with the White Power symbol &#8211; Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] a steering wheel, and pump your right foot while you say, somewhat loudly and using a touch of Vocal Fry if you can manage it, the words &#8220;Vroom [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a steering wheel, and pump your right foot while you say, somewhat loudly and using a touch of Vocal Fry if you can manage it, the words &#8220;Vroom [&#8230;]</p>
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