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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2015 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The open-plain ideas of human evolution are based on the traditional assumption (but logical error) that ape--&#062;human = quadruped--&#062;biped = forest--&#062;savanna, but all objective data (paleo-environmental, fossil, physiological, nutritional...) show that Pleistocene archaic Homo did not run over the African plains (sweating water + salt = scarce in savannas), but followed the African &#038; Eurasian coasts &#038; rivers, in search of shallow aquatic &#038; waterside foods. FYI, some recent publications:
-J.Joordens, S.Munro cs 2014 Homo erectus at Trinil on Java used shells for tool production and engraving, Nature doi 10.1038/nature13962
-S.Munro 2010 Molluscs as ecological indicators in palaeoanthropological contexts, PhD thesis Univ.Canberra
-J.Joordens cs 2009 Relevance of aquatic environments for hominins: a case study from Trinil (Java, Indonesia), J.hum.Evol.57:656-671
-S.Cunnane 2005 Survival of the fattest: the key to human brain evolution, World Scient.Publ.Comp.
-M.Vaneechoutte cs eds 2011 Was Man more aquatic in the past? eBook Bentham Sci.Publ. 
-M.Verhaegen 2013 The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis, Hum.Evol.28:237-266 google researchGate marc verhaegen, or independent academia edu/marcverhaegen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The open-plain ideas of human evolution are based on the traditional assumption (but logical error) that ape&#8211;&gt;human = quadruped&#8211;&gt;biped = forest&#8211;&gt;savanna, but all objective data (paleo-environmental, fossil, physiological, nutritional&#8230;) show that Pleistocene archaic Homo did not run over the African plains (sweating water + salt = scarce in savannas), but followed the African &amp; Eurasian coasts &amp; rivers, in search of shallow aquatic &amp; waterside foods. FYI, some recent publications:<br />
-J.Joordens, S.Munro cs 2014 Homo erectus at Trinil on Java used shells for tool production and engraving, Nature doi 10.1038/nature13962<br />
-S.Munro 2010 Molluscs as ecological indicators in palaeoanthropological contexts, PhD thesis Univ.Canberra<br />
-J.Joordens cs 2009 Relevance of aquatic environments for hominins: a case study from Trinil (Java, Indonesia), J.hum.Evol.57:656-671<br />
-S.Cunnane 2005 Survival of the fattest: the key to human brain evolution, World Scient.Publ.Comp.<br />
-M.Vaneechoutte cs eds 2011 Was Man more aquatic in the past? eBook Bentham Sci.Publ.<br />
-M.Verhaegen 2013 The aquatic ape evolves: common misconceptions and unproven assumptions about the so-called Aquatic Ape Hypothesis, Hum.Evol.28:237-266 google researchGate marc verhaegen, or independent academia edu/marcverhaegen.</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485339&quot;&gt;Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Chris, we can probably better survive on an island than on the savanna, but OTOH animals isolated on an island get rel.smaller brains (this makes the Danakil hypothesis unlikely). 
All fossil &#038; other evidence suggests that our early-Pleistocene broad-bodied, heavy-boned, flat-skulled, large-brained ancestors (archaic Homo) dispersed along Eurasian &#038; African coasts, parttime diving for seafood. Biologically this is obvious  - except for paleo-anthropologists who were indoctrinated at universities that our ancestors left the African forests for the African plains.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485339">Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Chris, we can probably better survive on an island than on the savanna, but OTOH animals isolated on an island get rel.smaller brains (this makes the Danakil hypothesis unlikely).<br />
All fossil &amp; other evidence suggests that our early-Pleistocene broad-bodied, heavy-boned, flat-skulled, large-brained ancestors (archaic Homo) dispersed along Eurasian &amp; African coasts, parttime diving for seafood. Biologically this is obvious  &#8211; except for paleo-anthropologists who were indoctrinated at universities that our ancestors left the African forests for the African plains.</p>
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		By: Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485337&quot;&gt;marc verhaegen&lt;/a&gt;.

http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/photos/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/

This is an interesting (TV) experiment on human survival capability. The choice of habitat for it is exactly what we&#039;re talking about: A tropical island. That would indeed be a Homo sapiens&#039; best chance to survive on its own on this planet. No one would dare try a similar thing on the tropical savannah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485337">marc verhaegen</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/photos/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.discoveryuk.com/web/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/photos/naked-and-marooned-with-ed-stafford/</a></p>
<p>This is an interesting (TV) experiment on human survival capability. The choice of habitat for it is exactly what we&#8217;re talking about: A tropical island. That would indeed be a Homo sapiens&#8217; best chance to survive on its own on this planet. No one would dare try a similar thing on the tropical savannah.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 00:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marc, I wasn&#039;t suggesting they do! Perhaps they help harvesting USO&#039;s in marshes.  That&#039;s what I was thinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc, I wasn&#8217;t suggesting they do! Perhaps they help harvesting USO&#8217;s in marshes.  That&#8217;s what I was thinking.</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 00:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485335&quot;&gt;Greg Laden&lt;/a&gt;.

Wrinkly fingers don&#039;t contradict the coastal dispersal model, on the contrary apparently: they might help swimming, and possibly feeling and/or grasping underwater for seafood. IMO it&#039;s difficult to use wrinkly fingertips pro or against AAT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2013/01/06/aquatic-ape-theory-another-nail-in-the-coffin/comment-page-2/#comment-485335">Greg Laden</a>.</p>
<p>Wrinkly fingers don&#8217;t contradict the coastal dispersal model, on the contrary apparently: they might help swimming, and possibly feeling and/or grasping underwater for seafood. IMO it&#8217;s difficult to use wrinkly fingertips pro or against AAT.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 00:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cristobal, if you are so new to the debate, you probably don&#039;t know what you are talking about. If you are faking that (which I suspect) then you should know better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cristobal, if you are so new to the debate, you probably don&#8217;t know what you are talking about. If you are faking that (which I suspect) then you should know better.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2015 00:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New thing to incorporate: http://www.nature.com/news/science-gets-a-grip-on-wrinkly-fingers-1.12175]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New thing to incorporate: <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/science-gets-a-grip-on-wrinkly-fingers-1.12175" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nature.com/news/science-gets-a-grip-on-wrinkly-fingers-1.12175</a></p>
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		By: Cristobal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cristobal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 04:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For someone new to the debate, &quot;articles&quot; like this one look desperate. Dripping with sarcasm and obviously fueled by something other than purely scientific motives - you make people wonder. Like my Dad always said, &quot;They always tell on themselves.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone new to the debate, &#8220;articles&#8221; like this one look desperate. Dripping with sarcasm and obviously fueled by something other than purely scientific motives &#8211; you make people wonder. Like my Dad always said, &#8220;They always tell on themselves.&#8221;</p>
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		By: marc verhaegen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marc verhaegen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Eugène Dubois at the time hadn&#039;t been anthropocentric (as everybody then thinking that human ancestors must have looked half human half ape), the littoral theory could have been clear from the beginning IMO: a platycephalic pachyosteosclerotic skull in deltaic sediments: what else could it be but a slow &#038; shallow littoral (parttime) diver for sessile foods?
Time for a little update. it&#039;s becoming clearer IMO: schematic hypothesis:
1) early-Pleistocene archaic Homo dispersed intercontinentally along coasts, deltas &#038; coastal lagoons, eating shellfish (stone tools) &#038; shallow aquatic &#038; waterside plants on the continental shelves (glacials),
2) mid-Pleistocene Homo (less pachyosteosclerotic) ventured inland along rivers (reduced pachyosteosclerosis), eating a lot of plant food (traces of cattails, waterlily &#038; graminea roots on neandertal tools &#038; in dental calculus),
3) late-Pleistocene H.sapiens waded for shallow water &#038; waterside foods incl. fish &#038; fowl (isotopic data, loss of pachyosteosclerotic skull, very long legs, body &#038; head held high, strong basi-cranial flexion, eyes directed downward, complex weapons etc.).
independent.academia.edu/marcverhaegen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Eugène Dubois at the time hadn&#8217;t been anthropocentric (as everybody then thinking that human ancestors must have looked half human half ape), the littoral theory could have been clear from the beginning IMO: a platycephalic pachyosteosclerotic skull in deltaic sediments: what else could it be but a slow &amp; shallow littoral (parttime) diver for sessile foods?<br />
Time for a little update. it&#8217;s becoming clearer IMO: schematic hypothesis:<br />
1) early-Pleistocene archaic Homo dispersed intercontinentally along coasts, deltas &amp; coastal lagoons, eating shellfish (stone tools) &amp; shallow aquatic &amp; waterside plants on the continental shelves (glacials),<br />
2) mid-Pleistocene Homo (less pachyosteosclerotic) ventured inland along rivers (reduced pachyosteosclerosis), eating a lot of plant food (traces of cattails, waterlily &amp; graminea roots on neandertal tools &amp; in dental calculus),<br />
3) late-Pleistocene H.sapiens waded for shallow water &amp; waterside foods incl. fish &amp; fowl (isotopic data, loss of pachyosteosclerotic skull, very long legs, body &amp; head held high, strong basi-cranial flexion, eyes directed downward, complex weapons etc.).<br />
independent.academia.edu/marcverhaegen</p>
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		By: Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christian Heckmann Engelbrecht]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2014 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to think I achieved something here. But I probably didn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to think I achieved something here. But I probably didn&#8217;t.</p>
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