no, facts were never a strong point for you – as demonstrated by everything from your tsa comment to the end of your post.

So you doubt if America is on a downward spiral toward tyranny eh?

Try this on for size:

Harry Belafonte and all his wonderous glory is advoctaing send conservatives to the gulags.

Left wing protestors in the streets threatening death to conservatives as if they were Islamic terrorists shouting death to America or something. Not much different between the two from what I saw in Michian last week.

DHS has advocating setting up highway checkpoints using bulletproof booths for the agents there.

The TSA has already expressed their desire to carry out more groping and molestation of citizens on US highways, subways, trains, and boats now.

The DHS has purchased millions of rounds of hollow point ammunition particulalry in 223, 40 S&W, 9mm Luger, and 308 calibers. All calibers federal law enforecment and military soldiers use. What are they planning?

We have seen hundreds of enormous machine gun weilding heavy armored personnell carriers being bought by DHS. Why does DHS need these military vehices in the streets of America?

Do these agencies know something is about to happen or are they planning an event?

United States Army Special Forces jumping from balckhawk helicopters in downtown Minneapoils over the summer “practicing” for urban warfare “in the middle east”. Yeah right.

Enormous brand new never used prison facilities in Georgia, Utah, Montana, and other places sit there collecting dust., These are areas of federal land. Why does the government need brand new prisons with no prisoners? Are they planning to put dissenter in concentration camps? http://www.campfema.com Maybe, maybe not, but why all the brand new empty prisons facilities and why does a new Army manual talk about enemies of the state being conservatives and patriots?

Sounds like tyranny in the works to me.

Makes you and your friends not just irrelevant, but a liability—you were supposed to be protecting the freedoms but managed to lose 10/11 of them, as well as contribute to dozens of mass killings of innocent people. Good job.

It is like a security guard at a bank shouting out how necessary he is to protect the bank after the robbers, under his nose, have made off with the money, the furniture and the vault itself but have left a clock on the wall—which the guard protects by firing hails of bullets into random crowds of innocent people saying it is a regrettable cost we must pay if we are to keep the bank from being robbed.

Of course, given that you can’t spell “fascism” you may not know what it is anyway. I doubt the US is on its way to anything resembling fascism. If it is, then gun-owners obviously aren’t up to protecting freedoms so exactly what is it you’re actually doing (aside from contributing to a heavy body count not seen in other rich countries).

Kevin. The exercise of a right requires responsibility. Our current, nearly anything goes, situation is wrong and your fears do not stand as justification for it. It is irresponsible.
Amendments can be modified or nullified by others. The constitution was conceived by the founding fathers as a living document or they would not have provided a way to modify it. We eliminated slavery by amending the constitution, right? We enacted and repealed prohibition, right?
I am not advocating prohibition of gun ownership, but I am willing to discuss it and any other proposal on their merits, their merits as effective solutions and not some atrophied remnant from the past.
Robert

Drugs like Prozac among many other can make children and youth kill on their own or by coersion. Too many sootings have occured for this not to have government involvement somehow.

Yes guns commit crimes. Boxcutters also commit crimes. Two particular boxcutters caused planes to fly into buildings on 9/11. By using left wing logic, the boxcuters are responsible for 9/11.

If you care so deeply about children, how about letting more of them be born instead of sucking their brains out of their skull in womb?

Most gun owners own at least three to five guns. Most I know own as many as thirty and a half a case of ammo for each caliber. Gun don;t work without ammo like cars don;t run without fuel.

Jay Leno owns more than one car. What do we do about that?

11 steps to facism:

1)Invoke a threat
2) Establish secret prisons
3) Develop a paramilitary force
4) Surveil ordinary citizens
5) Infiltrate citizen’s groups
6) Arbitrarily detain citizens
7) Target key individuals
8) Restrict the press
9) cast dissent as treason
10) Subvert the rule of law
11) disarm the citizen

Ten down, one to go.

–bks

You are correct. We do not sell military hardware to American citizens – becuase we are giving it away for free to Al Qaeda in Syria and Libya.

@BKS,

In any event, 22 people fell victim to a man weilding a weapon. Now, let’s have a talk on banning knives. Then sticks. Then sharp rocks. Then … all oher man made and nature made objects that can kill people. Especially boxcutters, becuase boxcutters cause airplanes to fly into buildings.

I wonder why the familiies of the victims of 9/11 did not sure the box cutter companies? Or the airline? Or the CIA for letting this happen. Like a gun crime, it was everyone else’s fault except the people who carried out the attack.

At matt,

Yes I am a Bible thumping, God fearing CONSTITUTION abiding free sovereign indivudual … and will be for all eternity. Better get used to it. There are hundreds of millions more just like me.

@ Jan

I agree with you. We do need t keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people, but how do you do that without walking all over someone else’s human rights?

If a person is mentally ill and has never been on meds before and has never been declared mentally ill by a physician, then how do we cath those people before they purchase or STEAL a gun?

Not only do some people purchase guns, theives break into homes and stores and stea firearms as well. it is easy to purchase a machine gun in Mexico and walk across the border with into the USA becuase we have such lax border control measures. If al Qaeda wanted to nuke us all they would have to do is figure out how to get the nuke into south america. It would a breeze to transport it to mexico from there and then just roll it right across the border unchecked, becuase unlikely all other countries on the face of the earth, we have border with no military guards on it.

Anyone can get a wepon if they so desire even if they have to kill a soldier and steal one. if someone is hell bent on committing a crime, they will find a way to do it. If this manmad has purchased 55 gallons of gasoline and detonated a gasoline bomb in the school, how would that be any different than doing it with guns? What then, would you call for a ban on matches and gasoline?

Also, you are probably equating everyone on anti-depressants as “mentally ill” . Being that millions of Americans either are on antidepressants or have been at one time, you are probably counting on that politicaly move to be able to take guns away.

Jan I am not disagreeing with you that true mentally ill people should NEVER be able to weild a dangerous weapon, but do not inlcude every single person who has ever had a bout of depression. That is truly a political move with a sinister purpose behind it.

I am a gun owner, but do not possess an AR-15, AK-47, or any bullpup rifle either. I cannot afford such things. Well, I could afford the cheaper less reliable ones, but one like Rock River Arms, Barret, etc make are far superior to Colt, DPMS, and many military issue arms becuase of the piston system they use. They are not full auto firing, but semi-auto. The tyue AK-47 rifles that are made in Romania and shipped here have the heavier machine gun barrel on them but the purpose behind that is to save manufacturing costs for the company. The AK-47s made in the states are crappy less reliable, and ultimately junk. They hang up alot, have spring problems, etc. The one imported from Romania are the real Russian military issue grade AKs without the ability to fire full auto.

Most citizens who own one of these do not even want the ability to fire full auto, but in full auto mode, you waste too many expensive rounds and it makes the firearm harder to control. Many people who own these firearms target shoot and some even hunt feral hogs with their ARs and AKs.

Hunting is not the reaosn for owning them though. People want them to be able to do exactly what the second amendment was designed for – to protect themselves againt invading armies and their own government should that government turn on its own people.

If an all out gun ban were given by executive order tomorrow, some people would willingly give up their guns. However, some of the more redneck hardcore gunners would fight to the death before a=giving up anything. In the deep south it would look like Iraq all over again. Rednecks setting up roadside bombs and picking off soldiers, etc. it would take an army of 200,000 going door to door to be able to conquer such a feat, if at all. Remember what happned in Iraq. over 100,000 troops. Air power, special ops, etc. How many years did it take these highly trained, highly weaponized soldeirs to take away weapons from civilians? Oh, that’s right. They never accomplished their goal fully. Not yet.

I am not advocating such violence and bloodshed, but only predicting a repeat of Iraq if UN or US soldiers ever tried to take away people’s human rights to self defense.