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		By: Keith M Ellis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith M Ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wish I could get my head around — or, perhaps, just accommodate myself  — the intuition that scientifically naive people have about what it means to know something.  On the one hand, it often is extremely simplistic, based upon directly &quot;seeing and touching&quot; something.  On the other hand, almost everything that we think we know, even when it involves something having been seen and touched, has been seen and touched by people that aren&#039;t ourselves.  So even the direct sensing is only hearsay, and yet almost none of this do people question.

So there must be some more subtle heuristic involved.  Some sort of synthesis between personal experience and social consensus.  Which is what you&#039;d expect — but there does seem to be a lack of integration with regard to scientific knowledge.  As was discussed at length recently with regard to the Congressman and geology, the vast interconnections between science and technology imply that  contesting something like the age of the Earth also is contesting huge swaths of things that people like that Congressman already think they know and don&#039;t find suspect.  This is partly a failure of science education, but also partly a failure of general education — the interconnectedness of knowledge and how that intersects skepticism is something that is generally assumed to form the foundation of a liberal education.  Yes, far fewer people receive or internalize this educational core than we&#039;d wish, but I fear that the shortfall is getting worse and the gap between what&#039;s thought to be known and a trained intuition about what it means to know something is increasing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could get my head around — or, perhaps, just accommodate myself  — the intuition that scientifically naive people have about what it means to know something.  On the one hand, it often is extremely simplistic, based upon directly &#8220;seeing and touching&#8221; something.  On the other hand, almost everything that we think we know, even when it involves something having been seen and touched, has been seen and touched by people that aren&#8217;t ourselves.  So even the direct sensing is only hearsay, and yet almost none of this do people question.</p>
<p>So there must be some more subtle heuristic involved.  Some sort of synthesis between personal experience and social consensus.  Which is what you&#8217;d expect — but there does seem to be a lack of integration with regard to scientific knowledge.  As was discussed at length recently with regard to the Congressman and geology, the vast interconnections between science and technology imply that  contesting something like the age of the Earth also is contesting huge swaths of things that people like that Congressman already think they know and don&#8217;t find suspect.  This is partly a failure of science education, but also partly a failure of general education — the interconnectedness of knowledge and how that intersects skepticism is something that is generally assumed to form the foundation of a liberal education.  Yes, far fewer people receive or internalize this educational core than we&#8217;d wish, but I fear that the shortfall is getting worse and the gap between what&#8217;s thought to be known and a trained intuition about what it means to know something is increasing.</p>
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		By: ¿Qué aspecto tiene de verdad el ADN? &#124; Naukas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[¿Qué aspecto tiene de verdad el ADN? &#124; Naukas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 01:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] en: What DNA actually looks like (Alex Wild, Scientific American) &#124; Más info [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] en: What DNA actually looks like (Alex Wild, Scientific American) | Más info [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Todd Parsons		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/11/29/first-close-up-of-dna-ever/#comment-496389</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Parsons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Obnoxious comment deleted&lt;/em&gt;  -gtl ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Obnoxious comment deleted</em>  -gtl </p>
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		By: Laurent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What these people will never get, it&#039;s that we got there because we assumed it was possible. That is, based on our assumptions, even if we did not see them directly (yet).

If scientists were doing science their way, we would basically stop any progress, since we wouldn&#039;t try to see things we don&#039;t already see... And what&#039;s the point looking for something we already know to be true?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What these people will never get, it&#8217;s that we got there because we assumed it was possible. That is, based on our assumptions, even if we did not see them directly (yet).</p>
<p>If scientists were doing science their way, we would basically stop any progress, since we wouldn&#8217;t try to see things we don&#8217;t already see&#8230; And what&#8217;s the point looking for something we already know to be true?</p>
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		By: Pete Moulton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete Moulton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cool!

And, BTW, Bill-O&#039;s only salient talent seems to be looking like an idiot. Kudos, though--he&#039;s very good at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!</p>
<p>And, BTW, Bill-O&#8217;s only salient talent seems to be looking like an idiot. Kudos, though&#8211;he&#8217;s very good at that.</p>
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