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		By: CyrusRobinson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If users experience difficulty in using the software to do those tasks, the software has poor usability]]></description>
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		By: What Open Source Software has Good Usability? – Greg Laden&#039;s Blog - Let You Know Everything		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Open Source Software has Good Usability? – Greg Laden&#039;s Blog - Let You Know Everything]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 12:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Joachim Jacob		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/23/what-open-source-software-has-good-usability/#comment-495609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joachim Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 07:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like to add

Inkscape
Recoll desktop search
Rhythmbox
Clementine
Virtualbox
Evince
Thunderbird

Look at the software center`s ratings for more ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to add</p>
<p>Inkscape<br />
Recoll desktop search<br />
Rhythmbox<br />
Clementine<br />
Virtualbox<br />
Evince<br />
Thunderbird</p>
<p>Look at the software center`s ratings for more 😉</p>
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		By: Marco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would mention mypaint]]></description>
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		By: travc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although it is a windows program, Notepad++ deserves to get a mention IMO.  It does a pretty good job of being very powerful yet still simple for simple stuff.

Personally, I&#039;m a VI person though;)  In fact, I find myself &#039;of a previous generation&#039; when it comes to what sort of UIs I favor.  It is important to try account for this effect when evaluating what is a good UI vs a poor UI.

It seems a lot of the larger good programs are really only good because they mimic a fairly familiar interface.  OpenOffice and Gimp pop to mind.

The Ubuntu installer (and perhaps other distros which I haven&#039;t tried recently) would go on my list of good UI, mainly because most everyone else does it wrong IMO.

Chromium is pretty great IMO.  Simple yet it offers more power and introspection than other big browsers.  Firefox requires plugins to match it.

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&quot;Simple for simple stuff&quot; really is a key.  I think that statement is actually from some code library&#039;s documentation.

Another key is the ability to fairly easily see what option/features/powers are available.

IMO, Ubuntu&#039;s Unity is missing this by default due to it&#039;s lack of a traditional menu.

Yes, it is important to hide them to some degree to avoid overload confusion, but they have to be visible without digging too deeply so that you know they are there (and UI designers should never rely on RTFM with respect to users figuring out *what* a program can do... RTFM is ok, to a degree, for *how* to do rare or complex things).  Doesn&#039;t everyone click on the &quot;Advanced&quot; tab at least once to see what&#039;s there;)

Overall, the open-source community has a problem with UI standards (as in rules).  IMO, this is largely a function of how annoying it is to write code for a GUI, and programming tools like GLADE could be a powerful way to encourage standardization if an effort was put into that.

BTW: Apple is downright draconian about GUI standards, perhaps too much since fitting some tasks into their scheme ends up being unintuitive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it is a windows program, Notepad++ deserves to get a mention IMO.  It does a pretty good job of being very powerful yet still simple for simple stuff.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m a VI person though;)  In fact, I find myself &#8216;of a previous generation&#8217; when it comes to what sort of UIs I favor.  It is important to try account for this effect when evaluating what is a good UI vs a poor UI.</p>
<p>It seems a lot of the larger good programs are really only good because they mimic a fairly familiar interface.  OpenOffice and Gimp pop to mind.</p>
<p>The Ubuntu installer (and perhaps other distros which I haven&#8217;t tried recently) would go on my list of good UI, mainly because most everyone else does it wrong IMO.</p>
<p>Chromium is pretty great IMO.  Simple yet it offers more power and introspection than other big browsers.  Firefox requires plugins to match it.</p>
<p>&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Simple for simple stuff&#8221; really is a key.  I think that statement is actually from some code library&#8217;s documentation.</p>
<p>Another key is the ability to fairly easily see what option/features/powers are available.</p>
<p>IMO, Ubuntu&#8217;s Unity is missing this by default due to it&#8217;s lack of a traditional menu.</p>
<p>Yes, it is important to hide them to some degree to avoid overload confusion, but they have to be visible without digging too deeply so that you know they are there (and UI designers should never rely on RTFM with respect to users figuring out *what* a program can do&#8230; RTFM is ok, to a degree, for *how* to do rare or complex things).  Doesn&#8217;t everyone click on the &#8220;Advanced&#8221; tab at least once to see what&#8217;s there;)</p>
<p>Overall, the open-source community has a problem with UI standards (as in rules).  IMO, this is largely a function of how annoying it is to write code for a GUI, and programming tools like GLADE could be a powerful way to encourage standardization if an effort was put into that.</p>
<p>BTW: Apple is downright draconian about GUI standards, perhaps too much since fitting some tasks into their scheme ends up being unintuitive.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2012 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right in general, but I can think of one powerful counter example.  The basic word processor.  This might be just me, but with a few tweaks here and there the old system of having a set of menus with functions divided into basic categories of file, edit, format, etc. emerged and stabilized years ago. That was good functionality.  I could be wrong, but the total change away from that paradigm around Windows 7, which has gone even farther in recent versions of Microsoft Office, seems to me to be marketing driven and not  following the philophy of merely tweaking and mostly preserving stuff that basically works.  So, today, Libra Office Writer is usable by anyone, MS Word is only usable by people who get re-trained  to use it.

To put a finer point on it, my hypothesis is that MS Office in particular is market-design driven and not usability driven.

Of course, a good procedure might be to develop litmus tests for your subjects.  Show every one Gnome 2.0 and Unity and divide them, thusly, into two fundementally different kinds of test subject. I&#039;ll bet the latter like the new MS Office and the former like Libra Office.

There is also a potential tradeoff between function and usability.  I was trying  to rotate some text in a spreadsheet I was developing for Apple&#039;s Numbers the other day, could not figure out how.  At first I attributed this to  living in a different usability paradigm from Apple, but eventually found out that that basic function of all spreadsheets (i would say virtually indispensable)  hadn&#039;t been implemented yet in that software.    Otherwise it&#039;s very &quot;usable&quot; though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right in general, but I can think of one powerful counter example.  The basic word processor.  This might be just me, but with a few tweaks here and there the old system of having a set of menus with functions divided into basic categories of file, edit, format, etc. emerged and stabilized years ago. That was good functionality.  I could be wrong, but the total change away from that paradigm around Windows 7, which has gone even farther in recent versions of Microsoft Office, seems to me to be marketing driven and not  following the philophy of merely tweaking and mostly preserving stuff that basically works.  So, today, Libra Office Writer is usable by anyone, MS Word is only usable by people who get re-trained  to use it.</p>
<p>To put a finer point on it, my hypothesis is that MS Office in particular is market-design driven and not usability driven.</p>
<p>Of course, a good procedure might be to develop litmus tests for your subjects.  Show every one Gnome 2.0 and Unity and divide them, thusly, into two fundementally different kinds of test subject. I&#8217;ll bet the latter like the new MS Office and the former like Libra Office.</p>
<p>There is also a potential tradeoff between function and usability.  I was trying  to rotate some text in a spreadsheet I was developing for Apple&#8217;s Numbers the other day, could not figure out how.  At first I attributed this to  living in a different usability paradigm from Apple, but eventually found out that that basic function of all spreadsheets (i would say virtually indispensable)  hadn&#8217;t been implemented yet in that software.    Otherwise it&#8217;s very &#8220;usable&#8221; though.</p>
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		By: Jim Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d disagree, though, with Greg&#039;s assertion that all open source software (that is reasonably well developed) will have higher usability than commercial software. I&#039;ve met with a lot of &quot;thought leaders&quot; in usability (Ginny Redish, etc.) and open source software (Eric Raymond, etc.) as part of this effort, and all agree that software in general suffers from poor usability. Open source software usability is no different than proprietary, closed source software.

At best, open source software has the same usability problems as closed source stuff. At worst, open source software has worse usability in general because most open source developers (myself included, BTW) tend to focus on the functionality and the features, and don&#039;t give much though to the user interface - and many high-profile commercial programs go through a formal usability process as part of the product development lifecycle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d disagree, though, with Greg&#8217;s assertion that all open source software (that is reasonably well developed) will have higher usability than commercial software. I&#8217;ve met with a lot of &#8220;thought leaders&#8221; in usability (Ginny Redish, etc.) and open source software (Eric Raymond, etc.) as part of this effort, and all agree that software in general suffers from poor usability. Open source software usability is no different than proprietary, closed source software.</p>
<p>At best, open source software has the same usability problems as closed source stuff. At worst, open source software has worse usability in general because most open source developers (myself included, BTW) tend to focus on the functionality and the features, and don&#8217;t give much though to the user interface &#8211; and many high-profile commercial programs go through a formal usability process as part of the product development lifecycle.</p>
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		By: Jim Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 23:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Usable&quot; means that the software can be used easily by a user. For example, can a general user with an &quot;average&quot; skill set perform typical activities in the program? If users experience difficulty in using the software to do those tasks, the software has poor usability.

Usability is different from &quot;Accessibility,&quot; which supports users who have particular disabilities. Visual accessibility would support users who have limited vision or are blind.

I agree that gedit is a good example of usability. I wonder if it&#039;s too simple of a program to make a good usability test case? I&#039;m not sure on that one. (I certainly wouldn&#039;t include something so trivial as the Notepad in Windows, but gedit does way more than Notepad yet seems easy to use.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Usable&#8221; means that the software can be used easily by a user. For example, can a general user with an &#8220;average&#8221; skill set perform typical activities in the program? If users experience difficulty in using the software to do those tasks, the software has poor usability.</p>
<p>Usability is different from &#8220;Accessibility,&#8221; which supports users who have particular disabilities. Visual accessibility would support users who have limited vision or are blind.</p>
<p>I agree that gedit is a good example of usability. I wonder if it&#8217;s too simple of a program to make a good usability test case? I&#8217;m not sure on that one. (I certainly wouldn&#8217;t include something so trivial as the Notepad in Windows, but gedit does way more than Notepad yet seems easy to use.)</p>
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		By: gruebait		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have to go with Gedit as my idea of usable; I may be confusing &#039;usable&#039; with &#039;customizable&#039;. - a distinction that isn&#039;t one, perhaps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to go with Gedit as my idea of usable; I may be confusing &#8216;usable&#8217; with &#8216;customizable&#8217;. &#8211; a distinction that isn&#8217;t one, perhaps.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an argument to be made that all OpenSoruce software that is reasonably well developed will have higher usability than commercial software, with a few exceptions.]]></description>
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