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		By: How the Kochs funneled millions to climate deniers through a secretive nonprofit &#124; Grist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/23/breaking-michael-mann-suing-national-review-and-competitive-enterprise-institute/#comment-495590</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How the Kochs funneled millions to climate deniers through a secretive nonprofit &#124; Grist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] $58,200 to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which is being sued by climate scientist Michael Mann for defamation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] $58,200 to the Competitive Enterprise Institute, which is being sued by climate scientist Michael Mann for defamation [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doug, anyone with five or more neurons to rub together knows to what I refers, understands what Observer&#039;s mistake was, and sees your comment for what it is (idiotic).

What people may not know is that you are Observer using a fake name (same IP address).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, anyone with five or more neurons to rub together knows to what I refers, understands what Observer&#8217;s mistake was, and sees your comment for what it is (idiotic).</p>
<p>What people may not know is that you are Observer using a fake name (same IP address).</p>
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		By: Doug K.		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/23/breaking-michael-mann-suing-national-review-and-competitive-enterprise-institute/#comment-495588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug K.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observer wrote:
At the beginning of this post you note that Mr. Mann is a friend and colleague.

At the top of the post the following text appears:
My friend and colleague Michael Mann

In his Nov 3 post, Laden asserts:
Observer, your critique of what I’ve written is funny because I did not write a word of any of that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer wrote:<br />
At the beginning of this post you note that Mr. Mann is a friend and colleague.</p>
<p>At the top of the post the following text appears:<br />
My friend and colleague Michael Mann</p>
<p>In his Nov 3 post, Laden asserts:<br />
Observer, your critique of what I’ve written is funny because I did not write a word of any of that.</p>
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		By: Vikki Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vikki Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observer, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 out of 48 charges of molestation brought against him.  He is currently in Greene State Prison, a &quot;supermax&quot; in Pennsylvania, moved there about three days ago.  He is sentenced to 30+ years.

It has been known for some time that key members of the Climate Change Denial community are child abusers.  Are you one of them? Is this why you need to insist that Jerry Sandusky is not in prison for child molestation?

Do you realize that your lame reference to the 1998 investigation that is now obviously replaced with his multiple conviction as though it cleared him of his many crimes entirely deflates your credibility?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 out of 48 charges of molestation brought against him.  He is currently in Greene State Prison, a &#8220;supermax&#8221; in Pennsylvania, moved there about three days ago.  He is sentenced to 30+ years.</p>
<p>It has been known for some time that key members of the Climate Change Denial community are child abusers.  Are you one of them? Is this why you need to insist that Jerry Sandusky is not in prison for child molestation?</p>
<p>Do you realize that your lame reference to the 1998 investigation that is now obviously replaced with his multiple conviction as though it cleared him of his many crimes entirely deflates your credibility?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observer, your critique of what I&#039;ve written is funny because I did not write a word of any of that.

Pretty much everything you say is wrong.  I know who you are and what you are up to.  You are no longer welcome here.  This blog is not your platform.

Mann has provided a complete and thorough debunking of your accusations.  You&#039;re wrong, and you&#039;re done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, your critique of what I&#8217;ve written is funny because I did not write a word of any of that.</p>
<p>Pretty much everything you say is wrong.  I know who you are and what you are up to.  You are no longer welcome here.  This blog is not your platform.</p>
<p>Mann has provided a complete and thorough debunking of your accusations.  You&#8217;re wrong, and you&#8217;re done.</p>
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		By: observer		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/23/breaking-michael-mann-suing-national-review-and-competitive-enterprise-institute/#comment-495585</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At the beginning of this post you note that Mr. Mann is a friend and colleague.  Given that, you might want to be extra careful in checking your posts in order to assure that friendship does not trump accuracy.

You wrote in reaction to the assertion that an investigation cleared Sandusky that he had been indited and convicted.  But, the 1998 Penn State investigation cleared him.

Similarly, you disputed Brian&#039;s assertion that Mann did not win the Nobel prize.  Well, I think most in science who follow these things are well aware that there is a rule that the award each year is made to up to 3 persons or entities.  There are many people who arguably deserved it as much as the recipients in some years.  I think George Dantzig might be one of the more famous examples of such bypassees.

At any rate, Mann himself seems to have receded from claiming that he is a prize winner.  See https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=441602745895933&#038;set=a.221233134599563.54502.221222081267335&#038;type=1.

You asked rhetorically, &quot;Brian, did Leymah Gbowee win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2011? According to you, no, because Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Tawakel Karman did as well.&quot;

The web site for the Peace Prize states:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2011 is to be divided in three equal parts between Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Leymah Gbowee and Tawakkul Karman for their non-violent struggle for the safety of women and for women’s rights to full participation in peace-building work

It also states,
The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.

The 2007 awardees were Gore and the IPCC.  IPCC, not its staff, funders, members, or contributors was the awardee.

Mann&#039;s (incorrect) assertion that he received the award will not help his litigation---especially when he is also asserting that claims that he engaged in fraudulent behavior are false, were published with actual malice, and constitute libel.

Observer]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the beginning of this post you note that Mr. Mann is a friend and colleague.  Given that, you might want to be extra careful in checking your posts in order to assure that friendship does not trump accuracy.</p>
<p>You wrote in reaction to the assertion that an investigation cleared Sandusky that he had been indited and convicted.  But, the 1998 Penn State investigation cleared him.</p>
<p>Similarly, you disputed Brian&#8217;s assertion that Mann did not win the Nobel prize.  Well, I think most in science who follow these things are well aware that there is a rule that the award each year is made to up to 3 persons or entities.  There are many people who arguably deserved it as much as the recipients in some years.  I think George Dantzig might be one of the more famous examples of such bypassees.</p>
<p>At any rate, Mann himself seems to have receded from claiming that he is a prize winner.  See <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=441602745895933&#038;set=a.221233134599563.54502.221222081267335&#038;type=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=441602745895933&#038;set=a.221233134599563.54502.221222081267335&#038;type=1</a>.</p>
<p>You asked rhetorically, &#8220;Brian, did Leymah Gbowee win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2011? According to you, no, because Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Tawakel Karman did as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>The web site for the Peace Prize states:<br />
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2011 is to be divided in three equal parts between Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, Leymah Gbowee and Tawakkul Karman for their non-violent struggle for the safety of women and for women’s rights to full participation in peace-building work</p>
<p>It also states,<br />
The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 was awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr.</p>
<p>The 2007 awardees were Gore and the IPCC.  IPCC, not its staff, funders, members, or contributors was the awardee.</p>
<p>Mann&#8217;s (incorrect) assertion that he received the award will not help his litigation&#8212;especially when he is also asserting that claims that he engaged in fraudulent behavior are false, were published with actual malice, and constitute libel.</p>
<p>Observer</p>
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		By: polonius		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[polonius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2012 02:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Contributions to a fund to defray legal costs can be made at:
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Folks, please don&#039;t try to put a link to a fund run by climate deniers on my blog.  But since there seems to be an interest in, well, funds and climate science, I can recommend the Climate Science Defense Fund: http://climatesciencedefensefund.org/ ... GTL

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contributions to a fund to defray legal costs can be made at:<br />
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<p>Folks, please don&#8217;t try to put a link to a fund run by climate deniers on my blog.  But since there seems to be an interest in, well, funds and climate science, I can recommend the Climate Science Defense Fund: <a href="http://climatesciencedefensefund.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://climatesciencedefensefund.org/</a> &#8230; GTL</p>
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		By: AKAHorace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AKAHorace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Laden,

the point was the university of  Pennsylvania cleared Sandusky. They also investigated Mann and cleared him. Sandusky was later found guilty. Steyn said that both U of Pennsylvania investigations were a sham.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laden,</p>
<p>the point was the university of  Pennsylvania cleared Sandusky. They also investigated Mann and cleared him. Sandusky was later found guilty. Steyn said that both U of Pennsylvania investigations were a sham.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Observer, this is not about censorship, it is about libel.

AKAHorace: &quot;Even though Sandusky was having sex with children and was cleared....&quot;

That took me aback so I checked Teh Wiki.  It says:

&quot;In 2011, following a two-year grand jury investigation, Sandusky was arrested and charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse of young boys over a 15-year period.[5] He met his molestation victims through The Second Mile, who were children participating in the organization, and several of them testified against Sandusky in his sexual abuse trial. Four of the charges were subsequently dropped, leaving 48 counts remaining. On June 22, 2012, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges.[6][7] Sandusky was sentenced on October 9, 2012 to 30 to 60 years in prison&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Observer, this is not about censorship, it is about libel.</p>
<p>AKAHorace: &#8220;Even though Sandusky was having sex with children and was cleared&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>That took me aback so I checked Teh Wiki.  It says:</p>
<p>&#8220;In 2011, following a two-year grand jury investigation, Sandusky was arrested and charged with 52 counts of sexual abuse of young boys over a 15-year period.[5] He met his molestation victims through The Second Mile, who were children participating in the organization, and several of them testified against Sandusky in his sexual abuse trial. Four of the charges were subsequently dropped, leaving 48 counts remaining. On June 22, 2012, Sandusky was found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges.[6][7] Sandusky was sentenced on October 9, 2012 to 30 to 60 years in prison&#8221;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 11:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian, did Leymah Gbowee win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2011? According to you, no, because Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Tawakel Karman did as well.

The team won the prize, and so did everyone listed as an awardee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, did Leymah Gbowee win the Nobel Peace Prize in 2011? According to you, no, because Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Tawakel Karman did as well.</p>
<p>The team won the prize, and so did everyone listed as an awardee.</p>
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