Comments on: Hypothesis: There are very few misogynist creeps in the Secular-Atheist-Skeptics Movement https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/ Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:23:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: maureen.brian https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495176 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 09:23:42 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495176 Greg, you are being far too benevolent. There may well be relatively few active misogynists in the Yorkshire Ripper sense or even in the Justin Vincula sense, though I would want citations.

There are, though, a seemingly infinite number of misogyny fellow-travellers who will go along with any number gender-based generalisations, negative assumptions, ridiculous claims based either on mythology or long-discredited pseudo-science, etc. I’m pretty sure some malevolent being bakes them fresh every morning ‘cos they keep on coming.

There’ll be a huddle of such people now gathering around dear JV to reassure and to bind up his wounds. Anything rather than even question whether just one of the people on the first petition had a point.

]]> By: gwen https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495175 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:13:27 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495175 Hooray! He resigned. I really don’t see the MRA people doing anything constructive, unless they think bullying and intimidation of women and anyone supporting feminism is constructive. I don’t.

]]> By: daedalus2u https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495174 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 03:05:18 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495174 What was ironic is that he referenced a play in his resignation letter, not being literate in that sort of way, I had to look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_the_People

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495173 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:50:56 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495173 I don’t really drink beer any more these days, though. Just sayin’

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495172 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:50:40 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495172 Yeah, like maybe have a beer with him kinda guy.

]]> By: MadScientist https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495171 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:42:22 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495171 You mean he’s probably an OK sorta guy like Mitt Romney’s an OK kind of guy? Or Jack the Ripper was an OK guy, or You-Know-Who?

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495170 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:16:52 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495170 Um… wait, Renee, forget I asked you to respond. Following that slew of stalky insulting posts on my twitter feed, you are not allowed here any more. I know you claim that you are drunk and this is why you have no self control, but I’m not accepting that as an excuse. That is all, have a nice evening.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495169 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:03:35 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495169 Renee, I agree with your basic point about kvetching, but you’ve reversed it. The smaller group are known to us pretty much only because they kvetch and do little else. That is their raison d’etre. Many are pseudonyms constructed only to carry out this misplaced and misguided misogynistic agenda.

This does not show the groups you mention to be anything of the kind. A number of people (about a thousand as it turns out) came together to issue a complaint that a man who has dedicated himself to a campaign of on line harassment of specific targets because they are feminists. Let me put it another way. A group of people came together to object to the bigoted, hate-filled and bullying behavior of some guy who would have been ignore were it not for the fact that he was appointed to represent an entire state’s worth of mainly progressive, anti-sexist, anti-misogynist secular humanists and atheists.

I didn’t mention in my essay, but only because I had to write it quickly while Huxley was eating his sandwich, but stark (often profane) rhetoric is often a signal of a movement’s flaws. As the SlymePit started to ramp up its bullying efforts, they started to use the term “bully” a lot. As you do here.

I know nothing about “AtheismPlus” so I can’t remark on that.

But, I can tell you that you are not actually welcome to come on my blog and call me an asshat. So please assure me that you did not just do that.

]]> By: Renee Hendricks https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495168 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:41:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495168 Also, to be fair, the validity of online petitions for this sort of thing hangs heavily upon those with the larger number of people kvetching. In this case, those who were out to hang Vacula for various and sundry asinine reasons. What this has accomplished, however, is a very bright light has been put upon the proponents of “AtheismPlus”, “FreeThoughBlogs”, and “Skepchicks’. They have shown themselves to be bigoted, hate-filled, and nothing short of bullies. Bravo, asshats.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/10/04/hypothesis-there-are-very-few-misogynist-creeps-in-the-secular-atheist-skeptics-movement/#comment-495167 Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:17:46 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/?p=13639#comment-495167 Yes, true, but it is likely that of the sixty six people who had signed the pro-Vacula petition, half of them were probably sock puppets, thus off setting the crossover you mentioned.

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