Comments on: Guys crossing the street, rabid dogs, and elevators

By: Link Love (2014-06-21) | Becky's Kaleidoscope

Link Love (2014-06-21) | Becky's Kaleidoscope — Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:15:05 +0000

[…] “Here’s the thing. A woman normally possesses a certain sense of caution related specifically to things that mainly happen to women, which does cause stress. A man should respect that and act accordingly, by doing certain things and not doing certain things. Every single person I’ve spoken to about Rebeccapocalypse has had a view of this roughly in the same range: Rebecca displayed normative behavior in being put off by Elevator Guy and it was up to her to decide to speak about it, and generally a good thing to do so. People do disagree on the modus operendus of speaking out, but not dramatically. Everyone understands that a woman should have a certain sense of caution … as should a man but in different ways, for different things, to different degrees … and that a man should respect this and act accordingly. By doing certain things and not doing certain things.” Guys crossing the street, rabid dogs, and elevators – Greg Laden Blog […]

By: yet another braindump (mostly on feminism) | orange narwhals

yet another braindump (mostly on feminism) | orange narwhals — Sat, 07 Jun 2014 15:39:45 +0000

[…] http://freethoughtblogs.com/crommunist/2012/01/16/shuffling-feet-a-black-mans-view-on-schroedingers-rapist/http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/05/women-in-elevators-a-man-to-ma/http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/07/31/guys-crossing-the-street-rabid-dogs-and-elevators/careershttp://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2011/04/10/why-women-rarely-leave-middle-management/why is it up to the disadvantaged to “fix things” (not get raped,…http://9gag.com/gag/5674046http://orangenarwhals.nfshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tumblr_md8wgiOrdH1qf66ono1_1280-300×218.jpghttp://feministing.com/2012/01/12/new-men-can-stop-rape-ads-rock/ … learn to be more assertive) anywayhttp://www.career-intelligence.com/management/Seven-Myths-About-Getting-Ahead.asphttp://navigatingcultures.com/blog/?p=1125 And I think it’s this: teaching women to be more assertive and agressive in speaking up and asking for stuff is all well and good, and it will certainly help women be more successful in a man’s world – but it’s yet another example of how women must adapt to men to get ahead. Why is it never the other way around? […]

By: Helga Vierich

Helga Vierich — Mon, 02 Jun 2014 23:13:31 +0000

I walk an Irish Wolfhound. Nobody would get past her. She has already seen off a pair of guys who open and entered the back patio door of the house while I was just out of the shower… and I live in a rural area, so that could have ended very badly.

By: YX mess, or is it special even to sceptics? « Seeds Aside

YX mess, or is it special even to sceptics? « Seeds Aside — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:44:37 +0000

[…] you don’t understand why all of this matters, probably reading these few posts won’t convince you neither. I mean, there isn’t anything that difficult […]

By: Of Privilege, Offence, and Dog Analogies. – The Stray World

Of Privilege, Offence, and Dog Analogies. – The Stray World — Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:46:18 +0000

[…] I could completely understand the connection as soon as I read Greg Laden’s post on separate instances of inappropriate male behaviour to female acquaintances, in […]

By: Rob

Rob — Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:54:09 +0000

I work with heterosexual men that have been convicted of partner abuse. One of the things I teach them about is their unearned male privilege. You may have seen lists of examples of male privilege relating to equal pay and so forth. While all of these examples are all valid, the men I see don’t always relate to them. (She has a job, not me. So she is the privileged one.) The question I ask them that best demonstrates male privilege is this: “How much time do you spend every day woryring about being raped?” The answer that I get back almost universally is “None.” This, my friends, is male privilege. Women do not have this privilege. Crossing the street as suggested is an acknowledgement of the awareness that I have such privilege and am choosing to use it to instill safe feelings rather than fear.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:48:46 +0000

Thunderf00t is of no consequence, generally or in relation to this post, but Ildi (though it is deeply hidden) brings him up in her rather enigmatic comment. So, given that, I’ll point you’all here:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2012/08/10/in-praise-of-whistleblowers/

By: ildi

ildi — Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:05:29 +0000

On the other hand, maybe you feel like you’ve been treated badly by some woman that day, so doing a spiteful thing like taking the opportunity of walking up close behind another woman later that night to possibly give her a jolt of fear is just part of the game, right? It’s not like you’re actually going to harm her in any way because you’re a trustworthy sort of bloke.

By: kayvaan

kayvaan — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:29:13 +0000

I’m a big, tall man and I’ve been going out of my way to make room for people so as not to intimidate them practically my whole life. I do it because I happen to be hyper sensitive to how people perceive me, so it’s really a temperament thing. I’m actually so sensitive to it that I sometimes can’t decide whether to cross the street because I worry that the person may get OFFENDED by my crossing the street. It’s a can of worms, I tells ya.

But I would personally categorize things like crossing the street in an “extra consideration” bucket that I would not deem required of basic courtesy. It’s awesome to be extra considerate, but it’s fine to be just regular considerate (which might be not crossing the street but leaving lots of space and trying to not look too shady :).

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:50:45 +0000

I have been needlessly cranky lately.

I’m not suggesting that everybody has to cross the street all the time! But basically, yes, you make all good points, thanks for the comments.