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		By: Van den Bogaert Joannes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 14:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What about the equation for the proton rest mass on pages 3-4 of Belgian patent BE1002781 mentioned on the &quot;e-Cat Site&quot; in the article &quot;Belgian LANR Patents&quot; downloadable in English (see page 1). According to that equation proton rest mass is the result of spin (angular momentum) electric charge and particle radius. The product of particle radius and mass is constant and electric charge is dualistic (-/+).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the equation for the proton rest mass on pages 3-4 of Belgian patent BE1002781 mentioned on the &#8220;e-Cat Site&#8221; in the article &#8220;Belgian LANR Patents&#8221; downloadable in English (see page 1). According to that equation proton rest mass is the result of spin (angular momentum) electric charge and particle radius. The product of particle radius and mass is constant and electric charge is dualistic (-/+).</p>
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		By: Charles Scurlock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Scurlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course we all understand that the scientists at CERN have not been flinging tiny billiard balls of stuff at each other in their ten-billion dollar merry-go-round, but have, in fact, been flinging tinier and tinier coherent entanglements of waves of energy at each other. And when you fling a complex of wrinkles in the field at another complex of wrinkles in the field the result is that when the (I hesitate to call it a collision) interaction occurs, it clearly disturbs the field in its immediate region, and generates more wrinkles in the field. Because this new set of wrinkles is so fine, and persists for such a short interval, it naturally seems to behave in some new ways, because we are getting down to or near the finest grain (or weave) of the underlying fabric, the fine grain limit, the frequency of the background electromagnetic field, the frequency of which seems to me must be at or near to 1/h (one over Planck&#039;s Constant).
Whether the so-called Higgs boson is finally at that level we don&#039;t know yet. But if we continue to deny reality and keep calling these units &quot;particles&quot;, even though we describe all of their characteristics (including mass) as electromagnetic, we&#039;ll continue in our delusions of &quot;wave-particle duality&quot;, &quot;quantum entanglement&quot;, &quot;superposition&quot; and the like and will not be able to get down to the proper mathematical analysis of what we are actuality observing.
Even the Washington Post allows itself to say, &quot;One way to think of the Higgs field: It’s the water the entire universe swims in.&quot; It&#039;s what a few of us have been saying for a very long time. They (CERN) may be getting close, but it might help to use a more consistent logical terminology.
In trying to put forth a simpler field theory of physics, I have had to navigate a landscape of so-called &quot;particle&quot; physics and cosmology peopled by experts who are so wedded to the notion of &quot;particles&quot; that they tend to ignore their own fundamental explanations. For example, the Wikipedia article on Quantum Field Theory gives the following interesting definition:
In QFT, photons are not thought of as &quot;little billiard balls&quot; but are rather viewed as field quanta – necessarily chunked ripples in a field, or &quot;excitations&quot;, that &quot;look like&quot; particles. Fermions, like the electron, can also be described as ripples/excitations in a field, where each kind of fermion has its own field. In summary, the classical visualisation of &quot;everything is particles and fields&quot;, in quantum field theory resolves into &quot;everything is particles&quot;, which then resolves into &quot;everything is fields&quot;. In the end, particles are regarded as excited states of a field (field quanta).
Fundamentally, I agree with this statement, with some minor qualifications. In my view everything physicists call &quot;particles&quot; should be understood as &quot;excitations&quot; or &quot;oscillations&quot; in a field. And if they are to persist for longer than a microsecond, that is, for long enough to become part of any larger, higher energy entity, they must undergo something like a phase transition to a stable, higher order.
Where I diverge from the QFT model is that I am convinced that there is one field and that field is primal and is the medium out of which these stable orderly &quot;condensations&quot;, to use Einstein&#039;s term, arise and persist; and what the QFT proponents describe as unique fields associated with each so-called fundamental particle are, in fact, simply distortions in the region of the field surrounding each identifiable stable entity. In other words, there is one field, vibrating at a very high frequency, out of which everything has arisen. All of the so-called &quot;particle fields&quot; are distortions of it, much like the distortions we perceive locally around simple magnets. The primal electromagnetic field is what we have, in our mysterious mystical imaginings, called &quot;dark energy&quot;. It both permeates and surrounds our universe, which is one of its biggest creations. And around the high energy concentrations we identify as stars, galaxies, and clusters are distortions of the field that we can&#039;t yet discern directly but are clearly there, identifiable by their effects. We&#039;ve named those regions &quot;dark matter&quot;.
Maybe what the experts at CERN and elsewhere have (almost) identified is evidence of my primal field. Maybe the &quot;Higgs boson&quot; is the fundamental wrinkle in the field where it all starts.  That would be nice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we all understand that the scientists at CERN have not been flinging tiny billiard balls of stuff at each other in their ten-billion dollar merry-go-round, but have, in fact, been flinging tinier and tinier coherent entanglements of waves of energy at each other. And when you fling a complex of wrinkles in the field at another complex of wrinkles in the field the result is that when the (I hesitate to call it a collision) interaction occurs, it clearly disturbs the field in its immediate region, and generates more wrinkles in the field. Because this new set of wrinkles is so fine, and persists for such a short interval, it naturally seems to behave in some new ways, because we are getting down to or near the finest grain (or weave) of the underlying fabric, the fine grain limit, the frequency of the background electromagnetic field, the frequency of which seems to me must be at or near to 1/h (one over Planck&#8217;s Constant).<br />
Whether the so-called Higgs boson is finally at that level we don&#8217;t know yet. But if we continue to deny reality and keep calling these units &#8220;particles&#8221;, even though we describe all of their characteristics (including mass) as electromagnetic, we&#8217;ll continue in our delusions of &#8220;wave-particle duality&#8221;, &#8220;quantum entanglement&#8221;, &#8220;superposition&#8221; and the like and will not be able to get down to the proper mathematical analysis of what we are actuality observing.<br />
Even the Washington Post allows itself to say, &#8220;One way to think of the Higgs field: It’s the water the entire universe swims in.&#8221; It&#8217;s what a few of us have been saying for a very long time. They (CERN) may be getting close, but it might help to use a more consistent logical terminology.<br />
In trying to put forth a simpler field theory of physics, I have had to navigate a landscape of so-called &#8220;particle&#8221; physics and cosmology peopled by experts who are so wedded to the notion of &#8220;particles&#8221; that they tend to ignore their own fundamental explanations. For example, the Wikipedia article on Quantum Field Theory gives the following interesting definition:<br />
In QFT, photons are not thought of as &#8220;little billiard balls&#8221; but are rather viewed as field quanta – necessarily chunked ripples in a field, or &#8220;excitations&#8221;, that &#8220;look like&#8221; particles. Fermions, like the electron, can also be described as ripples/excitations in a field, where each kind of fermion has its own field. In summary, the classical visualisation of &#8220;everything is particles and fields&#8221;, in quantum field theory resolves into &#8220;everything is particles&#8221;, which then resolves into &#8220;everything is fields&#8221;. In the end, particles are regarded as excited states of a field (field quanta).<br />
Fundamentally, I agree with this statement, with some minor qualifications. In my view everything physicists call &#8220;particles&#8221; should be understood as &#8220;excitations&#8221; or &#8220;oscillations&#8221; in a field. And if they are to persist for longer than a microsecond, that is, for long enough to become part of any larger, higher energy entity, they must undergo something like a phase transition to a stable, higher order.<br />
Where I diverge from the QFT model is that I am convinced that there is one field and that field is primal and is the medium out of which these stable orderly &#8220;condensations&#8221;, to use Einstein&#8217;s term, arise and persist; and what the QFT proponents describe as unique fields associated with each so-called fundamental particle are, in fact, simply distortions in the region of the field surrounding each identifiable stable entity. In other words, there is one field, vibrating at a very high frequency, out of which everything has arisen. All of the so-called &#8220;particle fields&#8221; are distortions of it, much like the distortions we perceive locally around simple magnets. The primal electromagnetic field is what we have, in our mysterious mystical imaginings, called &#8220;dark energy&#8221;. It both permeates and surrounds our universe, which is one of its biggest creations. And around the high energy concentrations we identify as stars, galaxies, and clusters are distortions of the field that we can&#8217;t yet discern directly but are clearly there, identifiable by their effects. We&#8217;ve named those regions &#8220;dark matter&#8221;.<br />
Maybe what the experts at CERN and elsewhere have (almost) identified is evidence of my primal field. Maybe the &#8220;Higgs boson&#8221; is the fundamental wrinkle in the field where it all starts.  That would be nice.</p>
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		By: Nathan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 05:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I first heard of the &quot;God particle&quot; I was excited but soon realized it was just a fancy name. Fancy name or not it&#039;s intriguiging how a &quot;charge&quot; gives mass.
This is an interesting video on the Higgs Boson.which explains very well
http://www.allgoodread.com/first/2012/07/cartoon-explains-the-god-particle.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard of the &#8220;God particle&#8221; I was excited but soon realized it was just a fancy name. Fancy name or not it&#8217;s intriguiging how a &#8220;charge&#8221; gives mass.<br />
This is an interesting video on the Higgs Boson.which explains very well<br />
<a href="http://www.allgoodread.com/first/2012/07/cartoon-explains-the-god-particle.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.allgoodread.com/first/2012/07/cartoon-explains-the-god-particle.html</a></p>
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		By: will nattrass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i completely disagree with Rainer Kuhne, personally i dont think you know what your on about. The higgs bosen has not been discovered and it never will be until scientists create a very large hadron colider (VLHC).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i completely disagree with Rainer Kuhne, personally i dont think you know what your on about. The higgs bosen has not been discovered and it never will be until scientists create a very large hadron colider (VLHC).</p>
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		By: Rainer Kühne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rainer Kühne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Higgs boson has been discovered! But many fundamental problems of physics are still unsolved! See
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/282855
http://lamp.ictp.it/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211
http://aphysrev.org/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Higgs boson has been discovered! But many fundamental problems of physics are still unsolved! See<br />
<a href="http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/282855" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/282855</a><br />
<a href="http://lamp.ictp.it/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lamp.ictp.it/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211</a><br />
<a href="http://aphysrev.org/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211" rel="nofollow ugc">http://aphysrev.org/index.php/aphysrev/article/view/460/211</a></p>
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		By: Leonardo Rubino		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/07/05/higgs-boson-makes-me-laugh/#comment-493675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonardo Rubino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 20:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s very sad to be always doubtful and suspicious with news coming from what could be the most precious and charming thing: the world of science and of the scientific knowledge.

Unfortunately, many facts, not negligible, really push you to suspicions and criticisms. ONE CANNOT PRETEND NOT TO NOTICE that, just yesterday, they told us two and two is nine; I&#039;m talking about the story of superluminal neutrinos, later corrected.
That news shouldn&#039;t even have been proposed and all those who learnt with passion even just some rudiments of relativity and electromagnetism, should immediately keep far; on the contrary, many eminent scientists didn&#039;t do that, but welcomed.

Read my whole opinion, with all the mathematical and physical explanations, at the following link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99445788/Anything-but-Superluminal-Neutrinos-and-Divine-Bosons

And just to put further irons in the fire, what to say about the dying and unjustifiable dark matter?

Finally, what to say about the recent news on the Higgs boson, now found: first of all, the scientific environment from which that news comes from is the same one, again. Furthermore, this kind of announcements have got a behaviour in common: they all diverge, instead of converging to a point of common deep knowledge of the Universe. In fact, such a boson just apparently brings an answer to us (on what it would do), but, at the same time, it also brings another half a dozen of new questions (on what it really is and on how it would do what they say it does).
By summing it up a bit, Higgs boson would give a mass to other particles, through the friction among them and the Higgs&#039; field!
It’s like if there is a guy, whose name is Anthony (and I don’t know him) and after long researches and investigations I’m told that Anthony has been introduced to Jennifer by Josephine, through Michael. And so, now, I still don’t know Anthony, but not only: from now on, I do not know also Jennifer, Josephine and Michael…
In fact, the echo of the news on the Higgs’ boson has not yet faded out and there is already who has (re)started to hunt the superhiggs, in environments with 43 dimensions!

Thank you for your attention.

Cordiality.

Regards.

Leonardo Rubino.
leonrubino@yahoo.it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very sad to be always doubtful and suspicious with news coming from what could be the most precious and charming thing: the world of science and of the scientific knowledge.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many facts, not negligible, really push you to suspicions and criticisms. ONE CANNOT PRETEND NOT TO NOTICE that, just yesterday, they told us two and two is nine; I&#8217;m talking about the story of superluminal neutrinos, later corrected.<br />
That news shouldn&#8217;t even have been proposed and all those who learnt with passion even just some rudiments of relativity and electromagnetism, should immediately keep far; on the contrary, many eminent scientists didn&#8217;t do that, but welcomed.</p>
<p>Read my whole opinion, with all the mathematical and physical explanations, at the following link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/99445788/Anything-but-Superluminal-Neutrinos-and-Divine-Bosons" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scribd.com/doc/99445788/Anything-but-Superluminal-Neutrinos-and-Divine-Bosons</a></p>
<p>And just to put further irons in the fire, what to say about the dying and unjustifiable dark matter?</p>
<p>Finally, what to say about the recent news on the Higgs boson, now found: first of all, the scientific environment from which that news comes from is the same one, again. Furthermore, this kind of announcements have got a behaviour in common: they all diverge, instead of converging to a point of common deep knowledge of the Universe. In fact, such a boson just apparently brings an answer to us (on what it would do), but, at the same time, it also brings another half a dozen of new questions (on what it really is and on how it would do what they say it does).<br />
By summing it up a bit, Higgs boson would give a mass to other particles, through the friction among them and the Higgs&#8217; field!<br />
It’s like if there is a guy, whose name is Anthony (and I don’t know him) and after long researches and investigations I’m told that Anthony has been introduced to Jennifer by Josephine, through Michael. And so, now, I still don’t know Anthony, but not only: from now on, I do not know also Jennifer, Josephine and Michael…<br />
In fact, the echo of the news on the Higgs’ boson has not yet faded out and there is already who has (re)started to hunt the superhiggs, in environments with 43 dimensions!</p>
<p>Thank you for your attention.</p>
<p>Cordiality.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
<p>Leonardo Rubino.<br />
<a href="mailto:leonrubino@yahoo.it">leonrubino@yahoo.it</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 04:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do we do? Keep sifting the data that hasn&#039;t been sifted yet. Keep collecting more data, running experiments. Even if  they find a Higgs signal, we won&#039;t necessarily know if it is the Higgs or a Higgs. Depends on which model best describes the data, and what the data from the detectors actually provides, and what the experiment design &#038; equipment can measure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
It&#039;s a vector boson, so there is that as well.

No, it won&#039;t be on the fundamental particle chart, it isn&#039;t fully analyzed, let alone described. Like a neglected collection of bones in a museum drawer to which outsiders are denied access, it could take some time to describe, only people are actually looking at the data.  There&#039;s an inverse crapbarn* of data.

* Which Wikipedia failed to include on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_(unit)#Commonly_used_prefixed_versions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this chart.&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do we do? Keep sifting the data that hasn&#8217;t been sifted yet. Keep collecting more data, running experiments. Even if  they find a Higgs signal, we won&#8217;t necessarily know if it is the Higgs or a Higgs. Depends on which model best describes the data, and what the data from the detectors actually provides, and what the experiment design &amp; equipment can measure.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson</a><br />
It&#8217;s a vector boson, so there is that as well.</p>
<p>No, it won&#8217;t be on the fundamental particle chart, it isn&#8217;t fully analyzed, let alone described. Like a neglected collection of bones in a museum drawer to which outsiders are denied access, it could take some time to describe, only people are actually looking at the data.  There&#8217;s an inverse crapbarn* of data.</p>
<p>* Which Wikipedia failed to include on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_(unit)#Commonly_used_prefixed_versions" rel="nofollow">this chart.</a>.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2012 04:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[tarek merouani

And now the Higgs boson makes me laugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tarek merouani</p>
<p>And now the Higgs boson makes me laugh.</p>
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		By: Patrick M. Dennis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick M. Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 13:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m aware of at least two:  the 1919 Eddington expedition to view starlight grazing the sun during a solar eclipse received worldwide attention when it apparently confirmed general relativity, and I myself remember as a twelve year old trying to understand what all the fuss was about in 1956 when Yang and Mills reported the violation of parity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of at least two:  the 1919 Eddington expedition to view starlight grazing the sun during a solar eclipse received worldwide attention when it apparently confirmed general relativity, and I myself remember as a twelve year old trying to understand what all the fuss was about in 1956 when Yang and Mills reported the violation of parity.</p>
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		By: tarek merouani		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tarek merouani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 08:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Higgs boson exist and is hidden within the Rugosa corals. I did many experiment on the rugosa corals and they showed all Higgs boson the characteristics.
to know more just google the 4 lost treasures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Higgs boson exist and is hidden within the Rugosa corals. I did many experiment on the rugosa corals and they showed all Higgs boson the characteristics.<br />
to know more just google the 4 lost treasures.</p>
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