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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493498</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, like I said, the Church mandated a while ago that all marriage MUST be done under Church doctrine. It&#039;s only recently that we&#039;ve been able to get married outside Church, and even more recently being able to do so without social stigma.

Of course, as Newt demonstrates, if we&#039;re wealthy enough, we can ignore the laws. As Henry VIII shows, if you&#039;re wealthy enough, you can start your own church, and make the laws suit you!

You do need the proverbial brass balls for this, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, like I said, the Church mandated a while ago that all marriage MUST be done under Church doctrine. It&#8217;s only recently that we&#8217;ve been able to get married outside Church, and even more recently being able to do so without social stigma.</p>
<p>Of course, as Newt demonstrates, if we&#8217;re wealthy enough, we can ignore the laws. As Henry VIII shows, if you&#8217;re wealthy enough, you can start your own church, and make the laws suit you!</p>
<p>You do need the proverbial brass balls for this, though.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493497</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The trick is to not get married in a church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trick is to not get married in a church.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, he DID do the same thing. As you say, he had several divorces. *Eventually* the pope gave up on the idea and told him &quot;No, you&#039;ve had enough tries, I&#039;m not letting you divorce again&quot;. So he DID do the same thing: get the church to annul the marriages. Just like Newt did.

You&#039;re right that there&#039;s more than one layer to the hypocrisy, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he DID do the same thing. As you say, he had several divorces. *Eventually* the pope gave up on the idea and told him &#8220;No, you&#8217;ve had enough tries, I&#8217;m not letting you divorce again&#8221;. So he DID do the same thing: get the church to annul the marriages. Just like Newt did.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s more than one layer to the hypocrisy, though.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493495</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Henry the eighth did the same thing&lt;/i&gt;

He tried to do the same thing, but the Pope, in a rare (for the time) moment of integrity, refused to go along with it; the Pope had previously given Henry a dispensation to marry Katherine of Aragon. Henry&#039;s response was to split the Church of England away from the Catholic church and have his bishop approve the divorce.

Three of Henry&#039;s subsequent wives preceded him in death (two executed, one in childbirth). Those marriages were obviously not annulled. Henry did divorce his fourth wife.

Where Newt wins the hypocrisy award is that, while he was going after Bill Clinton for having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, Newt himself was having an affair with his eventual third wife while still married to his second wife. (Were it not for that and the circumstances under which he divorced his first wife, I would consider Newt&#039;s marriage history irrelevant.) Several other Republican leaders of the time were either having affairs or on their second marriages. Clinton, meanwhile, is still married to his first wife.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Henry the eighth did the same thing</i></p>
<p>He tried to do the same thing, but the Pope, in a rare (for the time) moment of integrity, refused to go along with it; the Pope had previously given Henry a dispensation to marry Katherine of Aragon. Henry&#8217;s response was to split the Church of England away from the Catholic church and have his bishop approve the divorce.</p>
<p>Three of Henry&#8217;s subsequent wives preceded him in death (two executed, one in childbirth). Those marriages were obviously not annulled. Henry did divorce his fourth wife.</p>
<p>Where Newt wins the hypocrisy award is that, while he was going after Bill Clinton for having an affair with Monica Lewinsky, Newt himself was having an affair with his eventual third wife while still married to his second wife. (Were it not for that and the circumstances under which he divorced his first wife, I would consider Newt&#8217;s marriage history irrelevant.) Several other Republican leaders of the time were either having affairs or on their second marriages. Clinton, meanwhile, is still married to his first wife.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493494</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dedalus, Henry the eighth did the same thing...

Meanwhile, he&#039;s really just an example of the hypocrisy and partisan blindness in USA politics.

Greg gets away with it because he&#039;s not pretending to be the most moral guardian of family values. I.e no hypocrisy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dedalus, Henry the eighth did the same thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, he&#8217;s really just an example of the hypocrisy and partisan blindness in USA politics.</p>
<p>Greg gets away with it because he&#8217;s not pretending to be the most moral guardian of family values. I.e no hypocrisy.</p>
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		By: Jim Ramsey		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Ramsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, the wisdom of Roy Zimmerman:
  &quot;Defending the institution against people who want to get married.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the wisdom of Roy Zimmerman:<br />
  &#8220;Defending the institution against people who want to get married.&#8221;</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493492</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We know from DNA that present day humans are descended from more females than males, so preventing some males from reproducing has been going on for a long time, so there isn&#039;t any evidence for long term one man and one woman pair bond for life kind of thing.

In the Little Rascal&#039;s, the boys went through a stage where they disliked girls and actively avoided them, as in the “He-Man Woman Haters Club”.  Is that typical in hunter-gatherer social structures?  My guess is that it relates to women as property, so boys have to be careful to not be killed by the girl&#039;s owner.

In females, pair bonding recapitulates parturition (mediated through oxytocin).  In males pair bonding recapitulates territoriality (mediated through vasopressin).

Wow, I will have you know that Newt has only had one marriage.  He paid the Catholic Church to have his first two fake marriages officially annulled, so they never happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know from DNA that present day humans are descended from more females than males, so preventing some males from reproducing has been going on for a long time, so there isn&#8217;t any evidence for long term one man and one woman pair bond for life kind of thing.</p>
<p>In the Little Rascal&#8217;s, the boys went through a stage where they disliked girls and actively avoided them, as in the “He-Man Woman Haters Club”.  Is that typical in hunter-gatherer social structures?  My guess is that it relates to women as property, so boys have to be careful to not be killed by the girl&#8217;s owner.</p>
<p>In females, pair bonding recapitulates parturition (mediated through oxytocin).  In males pair bonding recapitulates territoriality (mediated through vasopressin).</p>
<p>Wow, I will have you know that Newt has only had one marriage.  He paid the Catholic Church to have his first two fake marriages officially annulled, so they never happened.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493491</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can probably get a guest post on that from someone involved in a current court case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can probably get a guest post on that from someone involved in a current court case.</p>
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		By: Anthony		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493490</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will you offer your take on the legal aspects of (American) marriage, or perhaps find an attorney who will?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will you offer your take on the legal aspects of (American) marriage, or perhaps find an attorney who will?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/25/marriage/#comment-493489</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, well, we can explore that hypothesis (about the patriarchy, not about Newt)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, well, we can explore that hypothesis (about the patriarchy, not about Newt)</p>
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