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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Heck, it&#039;s a trope in the USA about PITA prison. Worse, many people consider it with glee.

It&#039;s a damn good reason to make sure the fact of males being sexually assaulted is brought out (without detracting from females being so assaulted). It&#039;s too accepted too widely, just as &quot;Men are the bosses and women the teamakers&quot; was a damn good reason for the removal of the word &quot;Chairman&quot;.

What made the brouhaha most amusing was Dawkins in The God Delusion admitted he&#039;d seen no reason for the removal of &quot;Chairman&quot; for years until someone explained it that way and has ever since accorded to those social mores. And, despite the demonstration of honesty and accepting reasoning, most of the railing to Dawkins didn&#039;t give any reason other than &quot;you can&#039;t!&quot;.

Or, getting this entire screed back on topic, the most numerous of the vocal detractors had no sense of proportion.

I have often asked people to consider not how they THOUGHT a critisised action or appearance is wrong from their POV, but how their actions could be construed from another POV as being characterised negatively.

Or, as Joss said about Jayne in Firefly, &quot;Everyone thinks themselves the hero&quot;. Even though the entire audience knows its Mal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, it&#8217;s a trope in the USA about PITA prison. Worse, many people consider it with glee.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a damn good reason to make sure the fact of males being sexually assaulted is brought out (without detracting from females being so assaulted). It&#8217;s too accepted too widely, just as &#8220;Men are the bosses and women the teamakers&#8221; was a damn good reason for the removal of the word &#8220;Chairman&#8221;.</p>
<p>What made the brouhaha most amusing was Dawkins in The God Delusion admitted he&#8217;d seen no reason for the removal of &#8220;Chairman&#8221; for years until someone explained it that way and has ever since accorded to those social mores. And, despite the demonstration of honesty and accepting reasoning, most of the railing to Dawkins didn&#8217;t give any reason other than &#8220;you can&#8217;t!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Or, getting this entire screed back on topic, the most numerous of the vocal detractors had no sense of proportion.</p>
<p>I have often asked people to consider not how they THOUGHT a critisised action or appearance is wrong from their POV, but how their actions could be construed from another POV as being characterised negatively.</p>
<p>Or, as Joss said about Jayne in Firefly, &#8220;Everyone thinks themselves the hero&#8221;. Even though the entire audience knows its Mal.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know, and I was being deliberately defensive.

I do know a guy who was raped, though!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, and I was being deliberately defensive.</p>
<p>I do know a guy who was raped, though!</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493473</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was being deliberately oversensitive, Greg.

Rather like people who didn&#039;t like what people said when they didn&#039;t agree with Rebecca.

Like I always say, if you&#039;re looking to take offence, you&#039;ll find it in the most innocent of statements.

Isn&#039;t one of the reasons why &quot;chairman&quot; wrong to use (I&#039;d use &quot;chair&quot; which doesn&#039;t include gender rather than the cumbersome and lampshade-hanging &quot;chairperson&quot;) because people get the idea that only men can be bosses?

Exactly the same here.

By neglecting male rape/assault you&#039;re painting the picture that men can&#039;t get raped.

It is *exactly* the same thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was being deliberately oversensitive, Greg.</p>
<p>Rather like people who didn&#8217;t like what people said when they didn&#8217;t agree with Rebecca.</p>
<p>Like I always say, if you&#8217;re looking to take offence, you&#8217;ll find it in the most innocent of statements.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t one of the reasons why &#8220;chairman&#8221; wrong to use (I&#8217;d use &#8220;chair&#8221; which doesn&#8217;t include gender rather than the cumbersome and lampshade-hanging &#8220;chairperson&#8221;) because people get the idea that only men can be bosses?</p>
<p>Exactly the same here.</p>
<p>By neglecting male rape/assault you&#8217;re painting the picture that men can&#8217;t get raped.</p>
<p>It is *exactly* the same thing.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493472</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, I didn&#039;t actually say that.  I mentioned well groomed men and I&#039;m referring to harassment of women but that does not exclude women harassing men.

However, I know of no examples of that happening.  But it is certainly possible and I&#039;m sure it happens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t actually say that.  I mentioned well groomed men and I&#8217;m referring to harassment of women but that does not exclude women harassing men.</p>
<p>However, I know of no examples of that happening.  But it is certainly possible and I&#8217;m sure it happens.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493471</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why is it that you&#039;ve only allowed men to be well groomed at meetings, Greg?

And why is it only women get sexually abused?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that you&#8217;ve only allowed men to be well groomed at meetings, Greg?</p>
<p>And why is it only women get sexually abused?</p>
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		By: scidogs		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493470</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[our local boy Bob Dylan has a line, which i can&#039;t quote %100,
thats something like &quot;it&#039;s not so big when you get up close&quot;.
 i have no idea right now about what he was talking,singing,about.events,people,things but when i finally paddled up to what i always thought was a big cliff seen for years but never approached and it was really nothing--yup--sense of proportion moment that carried thru to other things,events,people---]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our local boy Bob Dylan has a line, which i can&#8217;t quote %100,<br />
thats something like &#8220;it&#8217;s not so big when you get up close&#8221;.<br />
 i have no idea right now about what he was talking,singing,about.events,people,things but when i finally paddled up to what i always thought was a big cliff seen for years but never approached and it was really nothing&#8211;yup&#8211;sense of proportion moment that carried thru to other things,events,people&#8212;</p>
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		By: Serena		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493469</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In fact, there are certain things in my science classroom that I cannot bring up to help students understand perspectives because it opens a can of worms.  But I can teach them perspectives in other ways - such as imagining they are a little insect to understand the importance of microclimate, etc.  Thanks for the teaching idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, there are certain things in my science classroom that I cannot bring up to help students understand perspectives because it opens a can of worms.  But I can teach them perspectives in other ways &#8211; such as imagining they are a little insect to understand the importance of microclimate, etc.  Thanks for the teaching idea.</p>
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		By: Serena		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/06/24/a-sense-of-proportion/#comment-493468</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serena]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well said.  What we must teach the children.  Understand perspectives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  What we must teach the children.  Understand perspectives.</p>
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