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		By: Lynn Monaghan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Monaghan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Lynn Monaghan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/13/settling-conflicts-guns-and-ho/#comment-492996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Monaghan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Recognized your name and found your blog by way of a ThinkProgress article about GreePeace in Peru.)

Don&#039;t know if you still have an interest in homeschooling as an ideology - nor if you&#039;re aware of the growing movement of &quot;2nd generation&quot; homeschool &quot;apostates&quot; - but the only really interesting writing about homeschooling is coming from those individuals.The reaction of homeschooling parents to having their arguments challenged by the very generation they raised is fascinating as well. Much more than conversations happening in 2008.

https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/ is a good jumping off point, if interested.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Recognized your name and found your blog by way of a ThinkProgress article about GreePeace in Peru.)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if you still have an interest in homeschooling as an ideology &#8211; nor if you&#8217;re aware of the growing movement of &#8220;2nd generation&#8221; homeschool &#8220;apostates&#8221; &#8211; but the only really interesting writing about homeschooling is coming from those individuals.The reaction of homeschooling parents to having their arguments challenged by the very generation they raised is fascinating as well. Much more than conversations happening in 2008.</p>
<p><a href="https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/</a> is a good jumping off point, if interested.</p>
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		By: Troy Staten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Troy Staten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 06:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[nice blog, i read it.
Homeschooling is best way to understand the subjects and it’s  far superior to face-to-face as the student is feel relaxed  in their home environment.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice blog, i read it.<br />
Homeschooling is best way to understand the subjects and it’s  far superior to face-to-face as the student is feel relaxed  in their home environment.</p>
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		By: Larry Staley		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/13/settling-conflicts-guns-and-ho/#comment-492994</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Staley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wishing something away will not make the world safer, England tried some of the laws you thought about and thier crime rate has risen to epidemic levels. If no guns it would be swords, if no swords it would be baseball bats, no bats, it would be rocks, no rock it would be knives, so no matter what you make illegal the problem will still be there. As far as suicides, the ones that use a gun are more serious about committing suicide, alot of failed suicides are just an attempt to draw attention to themselves. Any person that is serious will succede, car running in the garage, cars should be banned? You can&#039;t fix stupid, some people are not equipped to live long productive lives, cold hard fact. Drugs and alcohol ruin more lives every day than firearms, but the line at the liquor store is as long as ever. No one wants to tackle prohibition again. Banning things does not work, creating more red tape rarly helps either. If Dr&#039;s got some balls and entered info to instant check system when pt&#039;s were suicidal that might actually help with your complaint, perhaps you should get someone to lobby for the input to the instant check system for suicidal pt&#039;s. Might be a worthy goal, and have much better chance of succeding than a gun ban.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wishing something away will not make the world safer, England tried some of the laws you thought about and thier crime rate has risen to epidemic levels. If no guns it would be swords, if no swords it would be baseball bats, no bats, it would be rocks, no rock it would be knives, so no matter what you make illegal the problem will still be there. As far as suicides, the ones that use a gun are more serious about committing suicide, alot of failed suicides are just an attempt to draw attention to themselves. Any person that is serious will succede, car running in the garage, cars should be banned? You can&#8217;t fix stupid, some people are not equipped to live long productive lives, cold hard fact. Drugs and alcohol ruin more lives every day than firearms, but the line at the liquor store is as long as ever. No one wants to tackle prohibition again. Banning things does not work, creating more red tape rarly helps either. If Dr&#8217;s got some balls and entered info to instant check system when pt&#8217;s were suicidal that might actually help with your complaint, perhaps you should get someone to lobby for the input to the instant check system for suicidal pt&#8217;s. Might be a worthy goal, and have much better chance of succeding than a gun ban.</p>
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		By: gregladen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gregladen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 14:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rose, the particular students I am talking about are distinct.  They do not represent all home schooled students. No, they do not resemble modal public school students ... That is the point made by these teachers.  Referring to the state of public schools and public education is one of those vacuous and defensive homeschoolers arguments that everyone recognizes and no one is impressed by.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rose, the particular students I am talking about are distinct.  They do not represent all home schooled students. No, they do not resemble modal public school students &#8230; That is the point made by these teachers.  Referring to the state of public schools and public education is one of those vacuous and defensive homeschoolers arguments that everyone recognizes and no one is impressed by.</p>
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		By: Rose M. Welch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rose M. Welch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow: &quot;Hmm. Another failure of the Homeshcooling regime. Seems you can’t actually read Rose. Never said anything of the sort. Even though you quoted my comment, you didn’t actually read. Then again, I don’t expect someone who got homeschooled to have the same level of competence at basic English comprehension as someone who had to do what professionals have considered the required learning.&quot;

I love this comment, as I love all comments that are so obviously hypocritical. Wow, I&#039;ve neither stated nor implied that I am, myself, homeschooled, so everything you just said about reading comprehension really only applies to youself. :D

hoary: &quot;The autism spectrum child could have his school day broken up into shorter periods with rest in between, so his stress levels didn’t build up. The child with dylexia had a very intensive program at home– hours and hours of reading and being read to, with books the child found particularly interesting.&quot;

My son has ADHD and is severely dyslexic and we do many of these things, as well. Being able to skip the meds and focus individually on the needs of each kiddo is pretty amazing. :)

Greg: &quot;A student shows up after having been home schooled and they have that whole socially awkward and/or not up to snuff in key areas thing going...&quot;

And students who have always been publicly schooled don&#039;t?

&quot;...and oh, look, one of the courses finished over that time was biology.&quot;

This is a silly scenario. Do you have any evidence that this actually happens? I ask because parents already have the right to ask for alternative assignments, and because many public schools don&#039;t teach evolution. My high school certainly didn&#039;t, and I passed Honors Biology with flying colors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow: &#8220;Hmm. Another failure of the Homeshcooling regime. Seems you can’t actually read Rose. Never said anything of the sort. Even though you quoted my comment, you didn’t actually read. Then again, I don’t expect someone who got homeschooled to have the same level of competence at basic English comprehension as someone who had to do what professionals have considered the required learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love this comment, as I love all comments that are so obviously hypocritical. Wow, I&#8217;ve neither stated nor implied that I am, myself, homeschooled, so everything you just said about reading comprehension really only applies to youself. 😀</p>
<p>hoary: &#8220;The autism spectrum child could have his school day broken up into shorter periods with rest in between, so his stress levels didn’t build up. The child with dylexia had a very intensive program at home– hours and hours of reading and being read to, with books the child found particularly interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>My son has ADHD and is severely dyslexic and we do many of these things, as well. Being able to skip the meds and focus individually on the needs of each kiddo is pretty amazing. 🙂</p>
<p>Greg: &#8220;A student shows up after having been home schooled and they have that whole socially awkward and/or not up to snuff in key areas thing going&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>And students who have always been publicly schooled don&#8217;t?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and oh, look, one of the courses finished over that time was biology.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a silly scenario. Do you have any evidence that this actually happens? I ask because parents already have the right to ask for alternative assignments, and because many public schools don&#8217;t teach evolution. My high school certainly didn&#8217;t, and I passed Honors Biology with flying colors.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 08:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I was going to let this go entirely, but I must point out that nobody claimed public schools *cause* problems like autism spectrum, attention deficit disorder, or dyslexia.&quot;

I&#039;m somebody, therefore I too haven&#039;t claimed &quot;public schools *cause* problems like autism spectrum...&quot;.

&quot;That was *your* misreading.&quot;

Going for a search, I find &quot;autism&quot; in:

Posted by: hoary puccoon &#124; May 15, 2012 10:25 AM
Posted by: Rose M. Welch &#124; May 15, 2012 8:51 PM

So I find nowhere your claim of *my* misreading supported.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was going to let this go entirely, but I must point out that nobody claimed public schools *cause* problems like autism spectrum, attention deficit disorder, or dyslexia.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m somebody, therefore I too haven&#8217;t claimed &#8220;public schools *cause* problems like autism spectrum&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;That was *your* misreading.&#8221;</p>
<p>Going for a search, I find &#8220;autism&#8221; in:</p>
<p>Posted by: hoary puccoon | May 15, 2012 10:25 AM<br />
Posted by: Rose M. Welch | May 15, 2012 8:51 PM</p>
<p>So I find nowhere your claim of *my* misreading supported.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 08:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Reading comprehension level: 12th grade 5th month! :-)&quot;

I was sent to school very young. When I was 8 my reading age was 18 years.

I also had tonsilitis and spent many many weeks at home making noises like an angry Walrus on heat. REALLY bad tonsils.

And I watched Open University (as well as kids educational programs).

However, I&#039;m not normal.

And, in needing to cater for &quot;most children&quot; (as with TV catering to &quot;most viewers&quot; or corporations producing goods for &quot;most consumers&quot;), school could have gone a LOT faster to get me through it, but would have had an unmanageable process for dealing with the 30 kids in a class of different abilities and interests.

My parents, too, didn&#039;t mind me learning geometry, biology, geology and all manner of &quot;irreligious&quot; study.

Most parents aren&#039;t like that either. Most USians that want homeschooling want it to avoid having their kids learn irreligious/liberal/hippy stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reading comprehension level: 12th grade 5th month! :-)&#8221;</p>
<p>I was sent to school very young. When I was 8 my reading age was 18 years.</p>
<p>I also had tonsilitis and spent many many weeks at home making noises like an angry Walrus on heat. REALLY bad tonsils.</p>
<p>And I watched Open University (as well as kids educational programs).</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not normal.</p>
<p>And, in needing to cater for &#8220;most children&#8221; (as with TV catering to &#8220;most viewers&#8221; or corporations producing goods for &#8220;most consumers&#8221;), school could have gone a LOT faster to get me through it, but would have had an unmanageable process for dealing with the 30 kids in a class of different abilities and interests.</p>
<p>My parents, too, didn&#8217;t mind me learning geometry, biology, geology and all manner of &#8220;irreligious&#8221; study.</p>
<p>Most parents aren&#8217;t like that either. Most USians that want homeschooling want it to avoid having their kids learn irreligious/liberal/hippy stuff.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 19:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hadn&#039;t read that.

That is, however, what a lot of teachers think of home schoolers, because that is what they encounter.  What many middle school and high school teachers encounter is one of the following: 1) A student shows up after having been home schooled and they have that whole socially awkward and/or not up to snuff in key areas thing going, or 2) a student in regular school suddenly vanishes (perhaps in 10th grade or so) and returns  after a year or a semester &quot;home-schooled&quot; and oh, look, one of the courses finished over that time was biology.

Here&#039;s the thing: It isn&#039;t any  more valid to make the claim that all home schooling is bad because the above happens (and it really does happen) than it is valid to make the claim that traditional schooling totally sucks because (fill in the blank with your favorite public school horror story).  Both happen, and neither is the whole story.

The thing that annoys me about much of the home schooling community is this:  Lots of people in traditional public education are willing to critique it and readily admit to its shortcoming.  I work with traditional public school education issues all the time in several different capacities and this is often the conversation.  Among homeschoolers, it is much more common to see great effort expended to boost homeschooling, identify real critiques and deflate them without really addressing them, and there is often an added sensitivity whereby critiques that are not even being  made a are address.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t read that.</p>
<p>That is, however, what a lot of teachers think of home schoolers, because that is what they encounter.  What many middle school and high school teachers encounter is one of the following: 1) A student shows up after having been home schooled and they have that whole socially awkward and/or not up to snuff in key areas thing going, or 2) a student in regular school suddenly vanishes (perhaps in 10th grade or so) and returns  after a year or a semester &#8220;home-schooled&#8221; and oh, look, one of the courses finished over that time was biology.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: It isn&#8217;t any  more valid to make the claim that all home schooling is bad because the above happens (and it really does happen) than it is valid to make the claim that traditional schooling totally sucks because (fill in the blank with your favorite public school horror story).  Both happen, and neither is the whole story.</p>
<p>The thing that annoys me about much of the home schooling community is this:  Lots of people in traditional public education are willing to critique it and readily admit to its shortcoming.  I work with traditional public school education issues all the time in several different capacities and this is often the conversation.  Among homeschoolers, it is much more common to see great effort expended to boost homeschooling, identify real critiques and deflate them without really addressing them, and there is often an added sensitivity whereby critiques that are not even being  made a are address.</p>
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		By: hoary puccoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hoary puccoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow @87 says--

&quot;I don&#039;t expect someone who got homeschooled to have the same level of competence at basic English comprehension as someone who had to do what professionals have considered the required learning.&quot;

Yes, my comprehension of that, poor as you may find it, Greg, is that traditional public education is vastly superior to homeschooling. As my post above indicates, however, that is not necessarily the case. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow @87 says&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t expect someone who got homeschooled to have the same level of competence at basic English comprehension as someone who had to do what professionals have considered the required learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, my comprehension of that, poor as you may find it, Greg, is that traditional public education is vastly superior to homeschooling. As my post above indicates, however, that is not necessarily the case. </p>
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