Your reasons for taking down the site were 1) stupid 2) reasonable 3) stupid – it doesn’t make anyone a Nazi to recognise that.

There is a real dangerous principle that once a group is known to be wrong and ‘marked’ they deserve whatever we can throw at them. There is no argument that Nazis are evil. There is an argument that no one should have that principle used against them, as it is dangerous and there’s no way to stop it being used badly in the future if we allow it now.

That argument may be wrong, but the people putting it forward are not defending Nazis and anyone who thinks they are is an idiot.

“Golden Dawn has a history of direct involvement in organized crime and intimidation with many of their top ranking members having been indicted and convicted of violent crimes against immigrants and political opponents.”

Golden Dawn have been proven to act on their threats. They are making threats on WordPress, which is against their terms of service. What more do you need to know?

sorry, that was poorly worded. Doesn’t have to be the “last action” obviously. Just five or six good examples where you’ve sent time/energy etc doing something specifically against racist/nazi-sitic or similar movements, groups, ideals, attitudes, etc.

Ok, tell me this then. What was the last action you took against Nazis or something like Nazis, or Nazi like thinking or activities by organized groups?

I want to know what you find acceptable or effective by way of examples from your own activities.

You do know what the Nazis did in the 1930s and 40s, right?

Asking me this kind of question, and suggesting I am somehow ignorant of Nazi atrocities, or that I somehow do not abhor Nazis enough to have a valid opinion, despite my constant explicit statements to the contrary…

I haven’t been angry with you yet. A bit frustrated, yes. But not actually angry.

But I am now.

So I’m going to leave the thread be for a few days until I’ve calmed down a bit, and before I say anything I’ll come to regret later.

They are wrong. This is not a subjective game we are playing here.

You do know what the Nazis did in the 1930s and 40s, right?

This is not an in-group out-group thing, and your false balance is misguided. Please don’t tell me that I’m not trying to understand what you are saying. I see exactly what you are saying, I understand it, I find it disturbing, and I think you are wrong.

You still haven’t actually tried to understand me, Greg. Where’s the zebrafish?

Look, no one is obligated to respond to me in any way: I’m just a twerp on the internet, I’m nobody special.

But I do find it highly frustrating to be dismissed without engagement. I’d prefer to be outright ignored than dismissed without engagement.

But the Nazi haters are correct, and the Atheist haters are not correct.

So the rule is that it’s okay to pursue the removal of online content that you hate, provided that your hatred is correct and justified?

The atheist haters sincerely believe they are correct and justified in their hatred of atheists.

Believing as such, they may take this rule, apply it sincerely, and conclude that it’s okay to pursue the removal of online atheist content that they find abhorrent.

It’s in-group/out-group again.

A better rule is to not pursue the removal of online content on the grounds of abhorrence, disgust, offense, or otherwise hurt feelings triggered by that content.

That is a rule that can cut across group boundaries.

I don’t like setting the precedent that ‘being abhorrent unto us’ can be sometimes considered a justified reason for taking down a website. That’s a rod that can be turned upon our own backs all to easily.

Remember that atheism is abhorrent to many theists.

Yes, but their reasons for it are stupid, petty, and bigoted.

Our reasons for finding Nazis abhorrent is because they hurt people, horribly, for stupid, petty, bigoted reasons.

Why the hell do people make these idiotic arguments as if REASONS for finding something objectionable were like favorite flavors, just a matter of personal taste with none better than any others?