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		By: iakovos		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-60631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iakovos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2014 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The neo-nazi Golden Dawn party and why the Greek left does not want to confront them http://iakovosalhadeff.hubpages.com/hub/Greece-Israel-the-Arab-countries]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The neo-nazi Golden Dawn party and why the Greek left does not want to confront them <a href="http://iakovosalhadeff.hubpages.com/hub/Greece-Israel-the-Arab-countries" rel="nofollow ugc">http://iakovosalhadeff.hubpages.com/hub/Greece-Israel-the-Arab-countries</a></p>
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		By: Fr. John+		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-26762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fr. John+]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 02:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are full of shit. Yes, SHIT.

You preach about &#039;self-determination&#039; as long as it&#039;s your version of marxist perversion and race genocide of White Christendom. And when we argue for our own indigenous rights, you scum come to the fore, like a pimple on an adolescent&#039;s face. Come to think of it, that&#039;s what your ideology is. Adolescent whining. This post just made me determine to donate to Golden Dawn&#039;s NYC office. We need MORE of sanity, to drive you and your Amalek into the ocean. Axios, Golden Dawn. Pro Europa!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are full of shit. Yes, SHIT.</p>
<p>You preach about &#8216;self-determination&#8217; as long as it&#8217;s your version of marxist perversion and race genocide of White Christendom. And when we argue for our own indigenous rights, you scum come to the fore, like a pimple on an adolescent&#8217;s face. Come to think of it, that&#8217;s what your ideology is. Adolescent whining. This post just made me determine to donate to Golden Dawn&#8217;s NYC office. We need MORE of sanity, to drive you and your Amalek into the ocean. Axios, Golden Dawn. Pro Europa!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-15493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. Is this thread getting Godwined by Nazis?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Is this thread getting Godwined by Nazis?</p>
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		By: ????? ?????		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-15492</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[????? ?????]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2012 17:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[????????, ?? ????????? ??? ?? ???? ?????(!) ????????????? ??? ? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? (??? ??? ????????? ???) ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ????. ???? ?????, ??????????, ????????! ?? ??????? ????? ?? ?????????????????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????.

?????, ?? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ????????; ?? ??????????? ?? ??????????.

???????? ??? ????? ??? ? ???????? ???? ?????? ? ????????, ????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ??? ????? ? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ??????.

?? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ???!

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?R?NASLATION (for Greg Laden so he does not resort to Google) (LOL)

Christine, thank you for the good words. You confirm that Golden Dawn is correct when they say they want to rid Greece from the (political) filth. The easy thing to do is to call people, you do not even know, with very bad names just because you happen to disagree with what they say. That&#039;s, truly, fascist behavior! The difficult thing to do is ?? argue and try to win people over with your correct reason (=logos).

Which category does Christine belong to? Let the readers decide. 

Obviously, I am not the traitor (=prodoti) here, more likely Christine is, because (with her attitude) she is betraying the values of Democracy, i.e. conversation, discussion, debate and not swearing, revile, bashing and name-calling.

I am interested to hear your points!

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As, a last thought, hey you Greg Laden, when someone writes &quot;go to hell you traitor&quot; but fails to support it with the slightest argument, why would anyone (you in particular) say &quot;thanks for the thought!&quot;. Are n&#039;t you, a little out of line here, as well?

I expect you to remove the comment from public view (as a clear and flagrant violation of this blog&#039;s rules), or demand from your friend (e.g. foul-mouthed Christine) to justify her accusations. ?f she can of course.

There are laws, you know, still, in this country, and I intend to ask the proper authorities to enforce them, if you do not take the proper action.

Sincerely,

????? ?????]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>????????, ?? ????????? ??? ?? ???? ?????(!) ????????????? ??? ? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ?????. ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ????????? (??? ??? ????????? ???) ?????? ???? ????????? ???? ????. ???? ?????, ??????????, ????????! ?? ??????? ????? ?? ?????????????????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????.</p>
<p>?????, ?? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ????????; ?? ??????????? ?? ??????????.</p>
<p>???????? ??? ????? ??? ? ???????? ???? ?????? ? ????????, ????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??????????? ??? ????? ? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ??????.</p>
<p>?? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ???!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>?R?NASLATION (for Greg Laden so he does not resort to Google) (LOL)</p>
<p>Christine, thank you for the good words. You confirm that Golden Dawn is correct when they say they want to rid Greece from the (political) filth. The easy thing to do is to call people, you do not even know, with very bad names just because you happen to disagree with what they say. That&#8217;s, truly, fascist behavior! The difficult thing to do is ?? argue and try to win people over with your correct reason (=logos).</p>
<p>Which category does Christine belong to? Let the readers decide. </p>
<p>Obviously, I am not the traitor (=prodoti) here, more likely Christine is, because (with her attitude) she is betraying the values of Democracy, i.e. conversation, discussion, debate and not swearing, revile, bashing and name-calling.</p>
<p>I am interested to hear your points!</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>As, a last thought, hey you Greg Laden, when someone writes &#8220;go to hell you traitor&#8221; but fails to support it with the slightest argument, why would anyone (you in particular) say &#8220;thanks for the thought!&#8221;. Are n&#8217;t you, a little out of line here, as well?</p>
<p>I expect you to remove the comment from public view (as a clear and flagrant violation of this blog&#8217;s rules), or demand from your friend (e.g. foul-mouthed Christine) to justify her accusations. ?f she can of course.</p>
<p>There are laws, you know, still, in this country, and I intend to ask the proper authorities to enforce them, if you do not take the proper action.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>????? ?????</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 18:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christine, thanks for the thought!  I&#039;ll have to run that through Google Translator and see what you said.  brb.

...

Hey, wait a second there!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine, thanks for the thought!  I&#8217;ll have to run that through Google Translator and see what you said.  brb.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Hey, wait a second there!!!</p>
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		By: Christine		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-15490</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#039;XWPIS ONOMA&#039; ANDE KAI STO DIALO PRODOTI]]></description>
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		By: GreekfromNYC		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-15489</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GreekfromNYC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 09:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greece does belong to Greeks.  I will never agree with nazi germany....i will not ever agree with going past our borders and invading other countries.  But damn i agree with pushing immigrants out of our country who are here doing nothing but drug dealing and kill our people.  &quot;Under any means&quot;.  Get them out.  I have never felt such hate before as to the people who do not belong in our country and for Greeks allowing all these years of theivery from above and look where we are now.  I just visited a web page that sells off Greek islands.  Give back the work to the Greek younger crowd instead of some pakistani or albanian.  I may be filled with anger right now but yeah.  I AM angry.  My country is circling the toilet ever so slowly.  I do wish GD would stop with that salute used by Nazis but...I agree with them strongly and would love to join them and support them]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greece does belong to Greeks.  I will never agree with nazi germany&#8230;.i will not ever agree with going past our borders and invading other countries.  But damn i agree with pushing immigrants out of our country who are here doing nothing but drug dealing and kill our people.  &#8220;Under any means&#8221;.  Get them out.  I have never felt such hate before as to the people who do not belong in our country and for Greeks allowing all these years of theivery from above and look where we are now.  I just visited a web page that sells off Greek islands.  Give back the work to the Greek younger crowd instead of some pakistani or albanian.  I may be filled with anger right now but yeah.  I AM angry.  My country is circling the toilet ever so slowly.  I do wish GD would stop with that salute used by Nazis but&#8230;I agree with them strongly and would love to join them and support them</p>
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		By: ????? ?????		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/05/09/take-action-against-the-greek-nazi-party/#comment-15488</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[????? ?????]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[? suppose taking down any website just because we don&#039;t like it or because we think we do not like the people who made it because it appears they are nazis (or something else that is definitely very bad), well is that what you guys would call democracy? And yes, by the looks of it, your kind of democracy does not seem to be very inclusive for -pretty much-  anything that, well, you don&#039;t agree with.

I find very interesting that everybody is against Golden Dawn because allegedly they are a nazi party (a very serious accusation) but this has yet to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Every &quot;journalist&quot; that interviews them ask &quot;Are you a nazi party?&quot;. Of course the response is always &quot;No, we are not nazis we are Greek Nationalists&quot;. Yet, everybody insists on portraying GD as they want (i.e. nazis, right wing extremists) not as how the party members want to (Greek Nationalists) especially since according to their ideology the terms left, right etc are bogus as far as the greek political arena goes. 

There are also a lot of accusations for illegal actions but -again- no one has ever managed to prove that GD has actually done what they claim they did. Also, GD is using an ancient greek symbol the &quot;meander&quot; as their emblem, and an equally ancient greek greeting (with the raised hand) yet the media are still talking about swastikas and nazi symbols! No one has ever mentioned though that the swastika is present in ancient greek art since thousand of years ago. Also Romans and Hindus used it as well. Were they all nazis even thousand of years before hitler thought about using them for his evil plans? And why should we demonize gestures and art forms that originated in ancient greece just because a lunatic once used them?

Golden Dawn is a political party that wants to reclaim Greece for the Greek people. Currently Greece is not controlled by its people. Golden Dawn has stated that they will fight to prove who stole all this money and brought the current fiscal catastrophy to Greece and send them to prison. Golden Dawn is also against the uncontrolled &quot;import&quot; of undocumented aliens, is this gloabally acceptable practice reminiscent of nazi habits? Golden Dawn has also called for a number of other measures aiming at restoring the Greek economy to a point where leaving the Euro zone politically and currency wise would then be possible.

The pictures you have posted were taken from well know far-leftist, anarchist and communist sources and quite frankly they do not prove anything of what you claim.

I could go for hours.

I am not sure why you are so biased against something you clearly do not know yet did not research very well but the more I think about it the more it reminds me of fascism, nazism and racism. Which coincidentally is what you accuse GD of. Yes, people are indeed strange.

I suggest, if of course you are interested to maintain a minimum level of &quot;journalistic&quot; professionalism to try to investigate Golden Dawn a little deeper, perhaps this time using some different sources.

How about with Golden Dawn itself. Start by visiting the newly created website and read their program and political positions. You have to be able to understand Greek for that though, it is true, GD does not cater very much to foreign visitors. After all their main motto is pretty clear: Greece belongs to Greeks! Perhaps, there is a hidden nazi message there as well?!?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>? suppose taking down any website just because we don&#8217;t like it or because we think we do not like the people who made it because it appears they are nazis (or something else that is definitely very bad), well is that what you guys would call democracy? And yes, by the looks of it, your kind of democracy does not seem to be very inclusive for -pretty much-  anything that, well, you don&#8217;t agree with.</p>
<p>I find very interesting that everybody is against Golden Dawn because allegedly they are a nazi party (a very serious accusation) but this has yet to be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Every &#8220;journalist&#8221; that interviews them ask &#8220;Are you a nazi party?&#8221;. Of course the response is always &#8220;No, we are not nazis we are Greek Nationalists&#8221;. Yet, everybody insists on portraying GD as they want (i.e. nazis, right wing extremists) not as how the party members want to (Greek Nationalists) especially since according to their ideology the terms left, right etc are bogus as far as the greek political arena goes. </p>
<p>There are also a lot of accusations for illegal actions but -again- no one has ever managed to prove that GD has actually done what they claim they did. Also, GD is using an ancient greek symbol the &#8220;meander&#8221; as their emblem, and an equally ancient greek greeting (with the raised hand) yet the media are still talking about swastikas and nazi symbols! No one has ever mentioned though that the swastika is present in ancient greek art since thousand of years ago. Also Romans and Hindus used it as well. Were they all nazis even thousand of years before hitler thought about using them for his evil plans? And why should we demonize gestures and art forms that originated in ancient greece just because a lunatic once used them?</p>
<p>Golden Dawn is a political party that wants to reclaim Greece for the Greek people. Currently Greece is not controlled by its people. Golden Dawn has stated that they will fight to prove who stole all this money and brought the current fiscal catastrophy to Greece and send them to prison. Golden Dawn is also against the uncontrolled &#8220;import&#8221; of undocumented aliens, is this gloabally acceptable practice reminiscent of nazi habits? Golden Dawn has also called for a number of other measures aiming at restoring the Greek economy to a point where leaving the Euro zone politically and currency wise would then be possible.</p>
<p>The pictures you have posted were taken from well know far-leftist, anarchist and communist sources and quite frankly they do not prove anything of what you claim.</p>
<p>I could go for hours.</p>
<p>I am not sure why you are so biased against something you clearly do not know yet did not research very well but the more I think about it the more it reminds me of fascism, nazism and racism. Which coincidentally is what you accuse GD of. Yes, people are indeed strange.</p>
<p>I suggest, if of course you are interested to maintain a minimum level of &#8220;journalistic&#8221; professionalism to try to investigate Golden Dawn a little deeper, perhaps this time using some different sources.</p>
<p>How about with Golden Dawn itself. Start by visiting the newly created website and read their program and political positions. You have to be able to understand Greek for that though, it is true, GD does not cater very much to foreign visitors. After all their main motto is pretty clear: Greece belongs to Greeks! Perhaps, there is a hidden nazi message there as well?!?</p>
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		By: Oldcola		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 11:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Jay Schwartz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jay Schwartz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 11:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please note that today Wordpress.com cancelled the party&#039;s original blog for being in violation of Wordpress.com terms of service (TOS). They have quickly set up another blog at: http://xagr.wordpress.com/

Please make the creators of this petition aware of this development so they may act accordingly.]]></description>
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<p>Please make the creators of this petition aware of this development so they may act accordingly.</p>
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