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	Comments on: Tornadoes: Safety is all about attitude.	</title>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s the one.  Before my time here, but I bought a house on property hit by that one .. Took down many trees and topped others on that one acre lot. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the one.  Before my time here, but I bought a house on property hit by that one .. Took down many trees and topped others on that one acre lot. </p>
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		By: Mary Arneson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/22/tornadoes-safety-is-all-about/#comment-491994</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Arneson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, we think of it as the Lake Harriet tornado, but I found a site that says &quot;folks on the east side of the Twin Cities call it the &#039;Har Mar Tornado&#039; while others west of the Mississippi tend to prefer &#039;Lake Harriet&#039; or &#039;Edina Tornado.&#039;&quot; We heard that the people over in the northeast suburbs did get some warning, but all we had was the ominous rumble and the electricity going on and off in time with the lightning flashes.  We running to the basement with our 14-day-old baby when the trees went down outside the door.  Our trees absorbed much of the force of the tornado, and the house wasn&#039;t too badly damaged, but it was still a terrifying experience. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, we think of it as the Lake Harriet tornado, but I found a site that says &#8220;folks on the east side of the Twin Cities call it the &#8216;Har Mar Tornado&#8217; while others west of the Mississippi tend to prefer &#8216;Lake Harriet&#8217; or &#8216;Edina Tornado.'&#8221; We heard that the people over in the northeast suburbs did get some warning, but all we had was the ominous rumble and the electricity going on and off in time with the lightning flashes.  We running to the basement with our 14-day-old baby when the trees went down outside the door.  Our trees absorbed much of the force of the tornado, and the house wasn&#8217;t too badly damaged, but it was still a terrifying experience. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mary, was that the har mar tornado?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, was that the har mar tornado?</p>
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		By: Mary Arneson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/22/tornadoes-safety-is-all-about/#comment-491992</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Arneson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why isn&#039;t there a phone ap for that?&quot;

Well, if your phone is &quot;smart,&quot; you have a choice of weather apps that warn of tornados, flash floods, and other severe weather, with a very alarming screech.

Having been hit by the unexpected Minneapolis/St. Paul &amp; Suburbs tornado in 1981, when the sirens went off 20 minutes after impact, we tend to keep several types of weather radios on hand.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why isn&#8217;t there a phone ap for that?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if your phone is &#8220;smart,&#8221; you have a choice of weather apps that warn of tornados, flash floods, and other severe weather, with a very alarming screech.</p>
<p>Having been hit by the unexpected Minneapolis/St. Paul &#038; Suburbs tornado in 1981, when the sirens went off 20 minutes after impact, we tend to keep several types of weather radios on hand.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t you have a SAME system? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you have a SAME system? </p>
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		By: Lyle		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/22/tornadoes-safety-is-all-about/#comment-491990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even in a 2 story house when the siren on the plugged in radio goes off you can year it. Then either I turn on the nearby radio or go to the net to find out what is happening. (Where I live the radio covers about 5 counties so when storms are happening the siren goes off a lot) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even in a 2 story house when the siren on the plugged in radio goes off you can year it. Then either I turn on the nearby radio or go to the net to find out what is happening. (Where I live the radio covers about 5 counties so when storms are happening the siren goes off a lot) </p>
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		By: Art		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warnings are good, an automatic weather radio is a fine investment. Getting some warning ahead of time is vital but if you have nowhere to run to you are screwed. You can&#039;t reliably outrun or out think a tornado.

Basements are good protection but something as simple and easy to build as a slit trench is also good protection. In some ways better than a basement because there is no house on top to dig through to get out.

Figure a classic army specification of a ditch two feet wide, three feet deep, and as long as needed given 30&quot; per person. Given the narrowness of the trench there is no great need for any overhead cover as wind, even a tornado, just blows over. This is an afternoon&#039;s work with a shovel. You can work up from a simple trench by reinforcing the walls with boards so the dirt doesn&#039;t slump into it in time and adding duckboards to keep you above any mud. A cover to keep the wain out will keep maintenance to minimum. In time you can expand it to a regular root cellar, an underground cabin, and get as hobbit-like as you care to.

Dig it one afternoon and clean it up every spring and you will have a place to go if/when you ever need it. All you need to start is a shovel and a willingness to sweat.

Alternatively, for the folks with heavy equipment, even a  small backhoe could knock one out in a few minutes.

There is no reason for anyone to not have shelter.   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warnings are good, an automatic weather radio is a fine investment. Getting some warning ahead of time is vital but if you have nowhere to run to you are screwed. You can&#8217;t reliably outrun or out think a tornado.</p>
<p>Basements are good protection but something as simple and easy to build as a slit trench is also good protection. In some ways better than a basement because there is no house on top to dig through to get out.</p>
<p>Figure a classic army specification of a ditch two feet wide, three feet deep, and as long as needed given 30&#8243; per person. Given the narrowness of the trench there is no great need for any overhead cover as wind, even a tornado, just blows over. This is an afternoon&#8217;s work with a shovel. You can work up from a simple trench by reinforcing the walls with boards so the dirt doesn&#8217;t slump into it in time and adding duckboards to keep you above any mud. A cover to keep the wain out will keep maintenance to minimum. In time you can expand it to a regular root cellar, an underground cabin, and get as hobbit-like as you care to.</p>
<p>Dig it one afternoon and clean it up every spring and you will have a place to go if/when you ever need it. All you need to start is a shovel and a willingness to sweat.</p>
<p>Alternatively, for the folks with heavy equipment, even a  small backhoe could knock one out in a few minutes.</p>
<p>There is no reason for anyone to not have shelter.   </p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/22/tornadoes-safety-is-all-about/#comment-491988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daedalus2u]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why isn&#039;t there a phone ap for that?  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t there a phone ap for that?  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/22/tornadoes-safety-is-all-about/#comment-491987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 13:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lyle, that&#039;s a good idea. The portable I have is plugged in all the time because it has a cradle.  The configuration of your living space also matters; if your house is big or you carry out a lot of activities away from the radio (in a shop or something) a second radio is a good idea.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyle, that&#8217;s a good idea. The portable I have is plugged in all the time because it has a cradle.  The configuration of your living space also matters; if your house is big or you carry out a lot of activities away from the radio (in a shop or something) a second radio is a good idea.</p>
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		By: Navigator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Navigator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 05:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, some people cannot or will not recognize the power of tornados.  I grew up in South Dakota, and we spent lots of time in the basement when the sirens went off.  I have seen lots of careless behavior, like a Duluth city bus going over the Blatnik bridge while the tornado sirens were sounding.  Fortunately, no tornado materialized and no one was hurt.  And now, I&#039;m looking to move to Illinois.  And what do I find in house-hunting?  Most houses have no basements!  I might as well be in a mobile home!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, some people cannot or will not recognize the power of tornados.  I grew up in South Dakota, and we spent lots of time in the basement when the sirens went off.  I have seen lots of careless behavior, like a Duluth city bus going over the Blatnik bridge while the tornado sirens were sounding.  Fortunately, no tornado materialized and no one was hurt.  And now, I&#8217;m looking to move to Illinois.  And what do I find in house-hunting?  Most houses have no basements!  I might as well be in a mobile home!</p>
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