Comments on: Stand Your Ground, Racism, and the Second Amendment

By: Greenlock827

Greenlock827 — Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:11:51 +0000

Hears a fun fact. Did you know that people got run over today, and run over yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that? And even the day before that. Let me tell, those cars man. They screw with you. They really do. Anyone see my point yet? Let’s just ban cars. Everybody who owns a car is now a criminal because it was a machine used by someone else to commit a crime. That’s fucking stupid. It’s not the gun’s fault it was used to shoot someone, and it’s not other people’s fault that out of 6.8 billion people, there’s a rather large number of people that like to get trigger happy. Taking away the majorities’ rights, because of other people being stupid, is not the solution. Crack down on the dumbasses that don’t know when they should put the damn gun down.

By: hmm

hmm — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:30:59 +0000

I say if the kid was white nothing would be said about it. If any thing of this nature involves black person the victim everyone gose after the white person. What happened to all of you after the girl accused the white boys of raping her at Duke? What did the revs say after she was exposed? Did anyone say anything aboout the two black kids that set the white boy’s head on fire two weeks ago?

By: ash

ash — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:53:09 +0000

@Francisco Bacopa #23

excellent point! Dead on…

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:36:18 +0000

You are the reason that there is hatred in this country. Keep spewing your hate. It WILL catch up to you….

By: madscientist

madscientist — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:00:10 +0000

@robert#6: Yup. That reminds me of some years ago in Australia’s capital city. Some wrinkled white cow was telling a police officer about a “terrorist”. The terrorist in question of course was just some kid having fun and tearing through the mall on a skateboard, but since he wasn’t white enough he was a terrorist. The cop says “well, if you can tell us what a terrorist looks like we’ll be very grateful; we don’t know what they look like.”

By: StevoR

StevoR — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 06:35:16 +0000

@18. CyberLizard :

@16 StevoR – HOA = Home Owners Association

Cheers for that.

By: Francisco Bacopa

Francisco Bacopa — Wed, 21 Mar 2012 05:38:42 +0000

But suppose Trayvon Martin had responded with force? Would he not have been rightfully standing his ground? Zimmerman followed and confronted Martin. If the stand your ground law applies to anyone here it’s Treyvon Martin, not Zimmerman.

Please not here that I am in no way suggesting that Martin acted violently toward Zimmerman, most of the evidence suggests he didn’t. I’m just saying that if Martin had been violent, he would have been standing his ground, while clearly Zimmerman was not.

Follow, confront, kill. Sounds like a clear cut case of murder even with a stand your ground law. The mere fact that the victim used force after being followed and confronted (and there’s no evidence he did) should not matter.

Imagine a murderer saying this: “I followed this guy and confronted him, he took offense at this, so I shot him. It was scary so that makes it OK.” Shit, 9/10ths of murders would be dismissed if this was a proper defense.

By: noastronomer

noastronomer — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:01:25 +0000

From this article:

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/19/opinion-trayvon-martin-not-george-zimmerman-was-engaged-in-self-defense/?hpt=hp_t1

I learn that the relevant section of the Florida statute says:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Zimmerman didn’t stand his ground, he persued Trayvon. Zimmerman didn’t meet force with force, Trayvon offered no force. Zimmerman had no reason to believe that deadly force was necessary.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:53:42 +0000

Don’t forget the fact that Zimmerman tried to be a police officer. I think its plausible that this fact is why the police thought that he is a person of ‘good character,’ as someone who has a record that is ‘squeaky clean.’ Aren’t all people trying to be police officers just trying to stop a little crime and make the world a better place? Heh.

By: Raging Bee

Raging Bee — Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:25:16 +0000

I do think that the Second Amendment needs to be repealed, because it gives the pro-gun lobby cachet they can never earn on their morals.

No, it doesn’t need to be repealed. We just have to remind everyone that there’s a bit about “the security of a free State” that the NRA assholes aren’t quoting.

Seriously, those bumper stickers you see at gun shows that say “…the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is all the proof you need of the pathological dishonesty that’s so pervasive in those circles.