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		By: xaviersx		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491866</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 11:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And now, how is the state of the Linux vs content providers DRM solutions, more work arounds or work withs?  Sometimes you can challenge the provider to offer more, sometimes you fund competition that will do so, but the workarounds almost always make the ecosystem seem not worth the effort - like a war unwanted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now, how is the state of the Linux vs content providers DRM solutions, more work arounds or work withs?  Sometimes you can challenge the provider to offer more, sometimes you fund competition that will do so, but the workarounds almost always make the ecosystem seem not worth the effort &#8211; like a war unwanted.</p>
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		By: Cainram		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491865</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cainram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t read all of the comments so I may be repeating something already covered.
Netflix has been running on linux for years.
The Roku box uses the Linux Kernel. Netflix works on Roku.
Android uses the Linux Kernel. Netflix works on Android.
This is not something that Netflix refuses to do because it is difficult or causes DRM issues, etc. - they just WON&#039;T allow Linux distributions to stream Netflix. So screw &#039;em. Cancel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all of the comments so I may be repeating something already covered.<br />
Netflix has been running on linux for years.<br />
The Roku box uses the Linux Kernel. Netflix works on Roku.<br />
Android uses the Linux Kernel. Netflix works on Android.<br />
This is not something that Netflix refuses to do because it is difficult or causes DRM issues, etc. &#8211; they just WON&#8217;T allow Linux distributions to stream Netflix. So screw &#8217;em. Cancel.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491864</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Bit late to the party here, but Travis isn’t missing the point, he’s just pointing out that the original author has misrepresented the technical reasons for Netflix not being available on Linux. A desktop Linux Netflix client would NOT allow free access to Netflix content any more than the Linux Netflix client already running on my Android phone.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not sure who you mean by &quot;original author&quot; here but no one has said that it would.  The suggestion by Shawn Powers is that Netflix incorrectly  thought that it might be the case, but that they would be wrong.  Very different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Bit late to the party here, but Travis isn’t missing the point, he’s just pointing out that the original author has misrepresented the technical reasons for Netflix not being available on Linux. A desktop Linux Netflix client would NOT allow free access to Netflix content any more than the Linux Netflix client already running on my Android phone.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who you mean by &#8220;original author&#8221; here but no one has said that it would.  The suggestion by Shawn Powers is that Netflix incorrectly  thought that it might be the case, but that they would be wrong.  Very different.</p>
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		By: Dain		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491863</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 03:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Travis. You said almost exactly what I wanted to say. You are most certainly not missing the point. The author of this article is just blithering about things he really seems to lack any  real knowledge of.

A few addenda:

The DRM is to prevent people from directly stealing the videos that they stream, not prevent unauthorized access. Same reason Hulu implements DRM.

Microsoft actually has given some limited support to the Moonlight project in the form of codec packs (in binary blob form, I believe) and possibly another area I&#039;m forgetting. But they steadfastly refuse to share the binary capable of dealing with their  DRM, likely because they do fear that people would try to crack it. (I could envision this potentially being slightly easier if given just the binary which does the DRM as a modular component...perhaps....but perhaps not.)

Regardless, both these fears are rather misplaced by the entertainment industry. If I really wanted to steal a movie or TV show...I wouldn&#039;t be paying for Netflix. I would go to Google and type, &quot;[TV/MOVIE NAME] torrent&quot;, then have at it.

The DRM hasn&#039;t made it harder for anyone to pirate anything. It hasn&#039;t discouraged anyone. It&#039;s just made it harder for the legitimate customers to view the content they&#039;ve payed for in the manner of their choice.

(Don&#039;t even get me started on Blu-Rays and DRM...if you&#039;re a Linux user and you want to watch a Blu-Ray disc you have purchased, it is actually easier and more reliable to rip the movie, then play the resultant full quality mkv than it is to actually just play the Blu-Ray disc using any open source player. Smart move, content distributors!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Travis. You said almost exactly what I wanted to say. You are most certainly not missing the point. The author of this article is just blithering about things he really seems to lack any  real knowledge of.</p>
<p>A few addenda:</p>
<p>The DRM is to prevent people from directly stealing the videos that they stream, not prevent unauthorized access. Same reason Hulu implements DRM.</p>
<p>Microsoft actually has given some limited support to the Moonlight project in the form of codec packs (in binary blob form, I believe) and possibly another area I&#8217;m forgetting. But they steadfastly refuse to share the binary capable of dealing with their  DRM, likely because they do fear that people would try to crack it. (I could envision this potentially being slightly easier if given just the binary which does the DRM as a modular component&#8230;perhaps&#8230;.but perhaps not.)</p>
<p>Regardless, both these fears are rather misplaced by the entertainment industry. If I really wanted to steal a movie or TV show&#8230;I wouldn&#8217;t be paying for Netflix. I would go to Google and type, &#8220;[TV/MOVIE NAME] torrent&#8221;, then have at it.</p>
<p>The DRM hasn&#8217;t made it harder for anyone to pirate anything. It hasn&#8217;t discouraged anyone. It&#8217;s just made it harder for the legitimate customers to view the content they&#8217;ve payed for in the manner of their choice.</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t even get me started on Blu-Rays and DRM&#8230;if you&#8217;re a Linux user and you want to watch a Blu-Ray disc you have purchased, it is actually easier and more reliable to rip the movie, then play the resultant full quality mkv than it is to actually just play the Blu-Ray disc using any open source player. Smart move, content distributors!)</p>
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		By: Kevin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491862</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 02:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bit late to the party here, but Travis isn&#039;t missing the point, he&#039;s just pointing out that the original author has misrepresented the technical reasons for Netflix not being available on Linux.  A desktop Linux Netflix client would NOT allow free access to Netflix content any more than the Linux Netflix client already running on my Android phone.

To stream from Netflix, regardless of platform, you must provide valid login credentials to the Netflix servers.  You have to pay for the service (or steal someone&#039;s password.)  This is the same with Amazon Instant Video, which works on LInux because it uses Flash rather than Silverlight.  Is there an AmazonVideoForFree app?  No.

The issue is DRM.  DRM means encrypting the video stream so that only authorized users and/or devices (i.e. iPod) can decrypt and view the content, and the content provider gets to decide if you&#039;re authorized (licensed) to do this.  But unless there&#039;s a hardware layer involved that prevents the software layer from intercepting the decrypted video stream before it reaches your screen, there&#039;s nothing stopping a clever person from capturing that decrypted stream to his computer and giving it to all his friends.  You don&#039;t need Linux for this, you can do this on Windows or any other platform.  (Note that Blu-ray requires such a hardware layer, but clever persons have found a way of obtaining the &quot;super-secret&quot; keys to bypass this on virtually any Blu-ray disc.)

Amazon also uses DRM (for their videos but not music), they just do it with Flash instead of Silverlight.  Microsoft has so far chosen not to make Silverlight DRM available on Linux.  Microsoft is to blame for this choice, and Netflix is to blame for choosing Silverlight and Microsoft&#039;s PlayReady DRM mechanism for their streaming service, thereby excluding Linux without Microsoft&#039;s participation.  But ultimately both are at the mercy of the MPAA and RIAA, who continue to cling to an outdated business model and fear change.  They know DRM doesn&#039;t really work, but they&#039;re too entrenched to admit they were wrong.

And Linux, well... Linux is free in both senses of the word, and that word scares the content industry to death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit late to the party here, but Travis isn&#8217;t missing the point, he&#8217;s just pointing out that the original author has misrepresented the technical reasons for Netflix not being available on Linux.  A desktop Linux Netflix client would NOT allow free access to Netflix content any more than the Linux Netflix client already running on my Android phone.</p>
<p>To stream from Netflix, regardless of platform, you must provide valid login credentials to the Netflix servers.  You have to pay for the service (or steal someone&#8217;s password.)  This is the same with Amazon Instant Video, which works on LInux because it uses Flash rather than Silverlight.  Is there an AmazonVideoForFree app?  No.</p>
<p>The issue is DRM.  DRM means encrypting the video stream so that only authorized users and/or devices (i.e. iPod) can decrypt and view the content, and the content provider gets to decide if you&#8217;re authorized (licensed) to do this.  But unless there&#8217;s a hardware layer involved that prevents the software layer from intercepting the decrypted video stream before it reaches your screen, there&#8217;s nothing stopping a clever person from capturing that decrypted stream to his computer and giving it to all his friends.  You don&#8217;t need Linux for this, you can do this on Windows or any other platform.  (Note that Blu-ray requires such a hardware layer, but clever persons have found a way of obtaining the &#8220;super-secret&#8221; keys to bypass this on virtually any Blu-ray disc.)</p>
<p>Amazon also uses DRM (for their videos but not music), they just do it with Flash instead of Silverlight.  Microsoft has so far chosen not to make Silverlight DRM available on Linux.  Microsoft is to blame for this choice, and Netflix is to blame for choosing Silverlight and Microsoft&#8217;s PlayReady DRM mechanism for their streaming service, thereby excluding Linux without Microsoft&#8217;s participation.  But ultimately both are at the mercy of the MPAA and RIAA, who continue to cling to an outdated business model and fear change.  They know DRM doesn&#8217;t really work, but they&#8217;re too entrenched to admit they were wrong.</p>
<p>And Linux, well&#8230; Linux is free in both senses of the word, and that word scares the content industry to death.</p>
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		By: Emilia		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way to miss the point at so many different levels, Travis!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to miss the point at so many different levels, Travis!</p>
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		By: Travis Clos		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491848</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Travis Clos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 10:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lol.  This article is first of all ridiculous.  Netflix does not run on linux for one simple reason.  Silverlight does not run on linux.  There used to be several hacks one could run to get silverlight working on old PowerPC macs but that&#039;s as far as I ever got.  It did run silverlight but would not run netflix.  As for linux.  No such luck.  As for the notion of &quot;freenetflixwhatevertheft&quot; bullsh** you were ranting about... I say nay to you sir:

I have a netflix account which I must sign in to access netflix.  This would not be different on linux, and if this were hackable; then they would be doing it already on windows (believe me the hackers ALL use windows as well, it&#039;s the primary target).  Further, any linux user with an ounce of skill can run windows in a virtual machine and use it that way.

There&#039;s even an opensource implementation of silverlight called moonlight (http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight) but it lacks DRM support as Microsoft would have to help with that directly.  lol... &quot;Steal the netflix bits and bytes&quot; app... clearly you know little of the subject.  Anybody who want&#039;s to steal that can easily do so, no need for a clever app.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol.  This article is first of all ridiculous.  Netflix does not run on linux for one simple reason.  Silverlight does not run on linux.  There used to be several hacks one could run to get silverlight working on old PowerPC macs but that&#8217;s as far as I ever got.  It did run silverlight but would not run netflix.  As for linux.  No such luck.  As for the notion of &#8220;freenetflixwhatevertheft&#8221; bullsh** you were ranting about&#8230; I say nay to you sir:</p>
<p>I have a netflix account which I must sign in to access netflix.  This would not be different on linux, and if this were hackable; then they would be doing it already on windows (believe me the hackers ALL use windows as well, it&#8217;s the primary target).  Further, any linux user with an ounce of skill can run windows in a virtual machine and use it that way.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s even an opensource implementation of silverlight called moonlight (<a href="http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight</a>) but it lacks DRM support as Microsoft would have to help with that directly.  lol&#8230; &#8220;Steal the netflix bits and bytes&#8221; app&#8230; clearly you know little of the subject.  Anybody who want&#8217;s to steal that can easily do so, no need for a clever app.</p>
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		By: Brad Moss		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491847</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad Moss]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 16:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It blows my mind that they do the DRM lock down on streams when THEY WILL SEND YOU A DVD of the show, which anyone that&#039;s one step above a functioning moron can rip.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It blows my mind that they do the DRM lock down on streams when THEY WILL SEND YOU A DVD of the show, which anyone that&#8217;s one step above a functioning moron can rip.</p>
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		By: Nick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everyone, it&#039;s not a conspiracy. Why would MS stick it to Linux? If MS is going to &quot;allow&quot; Macs to run Netflix, then the same can be done for Linux with minor adjustments to code. MS is not threatened by Linux and its 1% share of the market. It&#039;s just about Netflix not wanting to take the time to port it because there isn&#039;t a substantial amount of money in the short-term to be earned by doing it. Netflix&#039;s stock TANKED after the DVD fiasco, so extra cash-flow and a few new subscribers surely can&#039;t be a bad thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, it&#8217;s not a conspiracy. Why would MS stick it to Linux? If MS is going to &#8220;allow&#8221; Macs to run Netflix, then the same can be done for Linux with minor adjustments to code. MS is not threatened by Linux and its 1% share of the market. It&#8217;s just about Netflix not wanting to take the time to port it because there isn&#8217;t a substantial amount of money in the short-term to be earned by doing it. Netflix&#8217;s stock TANKED after the DVD fiasco, so extra cash-flow and a few new subscribers surely can&#8217;t be a bad thing.</p>
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		By: bob		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/11/running-netflix-on-linux/#comment-491845</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 06:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mac&#039;s run on a form of OS that...&quot;

Macs. It&#039;s a plural so no apostrophe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mac&#8217;s run on a form of OS that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Macs. It&#8217;s a plural so no apostrophe.</p>
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