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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know, I know, that was like ten things.

Meanwhile:  http://goo.gl/cZMx2]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, I know, that was like ten things.</p>
<p>Meanwhile:  <a href="http://goo.gl/cZMx2" rel="nofollow ugc">http://goo.gl/cZMx2</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13840</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HP, two things very quickly. One, please do not spend any more effort telling me how mad you are at me becuase you had it in your brain that I was supposed to be doing something that I didn&#039;t happen to do. You have no idea how offensive that is. You should have seen the response I wrote last night to your comment, but deleted.

Second, I know nothing whatsoever about this charity or this film maker.  Nada.

Third, much of the reaction I&#039;ve seen as push back against KONY  2012 has been unattributed ignorant ranting, which does not leave me with much evidence or even a guess as to what that is all about.  

Fourth, re-read your last sentence. &lt;em&gt;My&lt;/em&gt; own &quot;SOB&#039;s&quot; are in central Africa, not here, not you, not this guy with his dick hanging out in San Diego; the LRA is very real but is only part of a long standing wide spread atrocity which is emergent from, in no small part, evangelical and pre-evangelical religious mucking around in the region from Central Sudan south to Lake Victoria, from western Kenya through the Great Lake region since about 1870, and there really are Children soldiers, and it is really true that no one in the US thinks or even knows about any of this.  This is a case where awareness raising is useful.

I have been swamped.  I&#039;ve been home for four out of the last 72 hours, and I&#039;m on my way out again right now, wasting time explaining to you that while I love to hear suggestions as to what to write about, you do not have the right to yell at me about what I did not do that you imagined I should do.  

I&#039;ll probably write about this issue long after the hype has died down.  Honestly, the LRA and related bullshit has been cooking along for 160 years in one form or another (not always Christian) and is not affected by this conversation and will continue until we have an entirely new way of thinking about these things.

And the last sentence of your comment represents one of the attitudes that has to go. 

... Running out of house now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP, two things very quickly. One, please do not spend any more effort telling me how mad you are at me becuase you had it in your brain that I was supposed to be doing something that I didn&#8217;t happen to do. You have no idea how offensive that is. You should have seen the response I wrote last night to your comment, but deleted.</p>
<p>Second, I know nothing whatsoever about this charity or this film maker.  Nada.</p>
<p>Third, much of the reaction I&#8217;ve seen as push back against KONY  2012 has been unattributed ignorant ranting, which does not leave me with much evidence or even a guess as to what that is all about.  </p>
<p>Fourth, re-read your last sentence. <em>My</em> own &#8220;SOB&#8217;s&#8221; are in central Africa, not here, not you, not this guy with his dick hanging out in San Diego; the LRA is very real but is only part of a long standing wide spread atrocity which is emergent from, in no small part, evangelical and pre-evangelical religious mucking around in the region from Central Sudan south to Lake Victoria, from western Kenya through the Great Lake region since about 1870, and there really are Children soldiers, and it is really true that no one in the US thinks or even knows about any of this.  This is a case where awareness raising is useful.</p>
<p>I have been swamped.  I&#8217;ve been home for four out of the last 72 hours, and I&#8217;m on my way out again right now, wasting time explaining to you that while I love to hear suggestions as to what to write about, you do not have the right to yell at me about what I did not do that you imagined I should do.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll probably write about this issue long after the hype has died down.  Honestly, the LRA and related bullshit has been cooking along for 160 years in one form or another (not always Christian) and is not affected by this conversation and will continue until we have an entirely new way of thinking about these things.</p>
<p>And the last sentence of your comment represents one of the attitudes that has to go. </p>
<p>&#8230; Running out of house now.</p>
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		By: HP		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13839</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, 

The Kony 2012 campaign is a reactionary, evangelical Christian front, using willful deception and propaganda to serve purposes that have nothing to do with the depredations of Joseph Kony. 

True, false, or undetermined? What&#039;s the evidence say?

Is the enemy of my enemy my friend, or is the enemy of my enemy just another enemy? 

Sometimes there are no good guys. The evidence would seem to indicate that this is one of those times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, </p>
<p>The Kony 2012 campaign is a reactionary, evangelical Christian front, using willful deception and propaganda to serve purposes that have nothing to do with the depredations of Joseph Kony. </p>
<p>True, false, or undetermined? What&#8217;s the evidence say?</p>
<p>Is the enemy of my enemy my friend, or is the enemy of my enemy just another enemy? </p>
<p>Sometimes there are no good guys. The evidence would seem to indicate that this is one of those times.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13838</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HP: Excuse me?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP: Excuse me?</p>
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		By: HP		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a long-time reader, and I&#039;ve come to admire you a great deal. I&#039;m eagerly awaiting your follow-up post in light of recent events and revelations.

No one on FTB knows more about the Congo than you, but then you put up this viral video uncritically, despite the Jim Inhofe and other disreputable connections, and fellow FTBers like Crommunist Jason Thibault are apparently eating your lunch. 

I appreciate that you post things that presume intelligence and critical thinking on the part of your readers. But this story is rapidly spiraling out of control, and you have yet to post a followup, and your silence is starting to look like consent to a pretty ugly situation.

The appropriately thoughtful and skeptical response would do a lot to enhance your credibility and reputation as the Web&#039;s go-to metaskeptic. 

I certainly understand that Joseph Kony is a right son-of-a-bitch. But that doesn&#039;t excuse or exonerate our own sons-of-bitches, to whom we have a greater responsibility, if on no other grounds than geographic proximity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a long-time reader, and I&#8217;ve come to admire you a great deal. I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting your follow-up post in light of recent events and revelations.</p>
<p>No one on FTB knows more about the Congo than you, but then you put up this viral video uncritically, despite the Jim Inhofe and other disreputable connections, and fellow FTBers like Crommunist Jason Thibault are apparently eating your lunch. </p>
<p>I appreciate that you post things that presume intelligence and critical thinking on the part of your readers. But this story is rapidly spiraling out of control, and you have yet to post a followup, and your silence is starting to look like consent to a pretty ugly situation.</p>
<p>The appropriately thoughtful and skeptical response would do a lot to enhance your credibility and reputation as the Web&#8217;s go-to metaskeptic. </p>
<p>I certainly understand that Joseph Kony is a right son-of-a-bitch. But that doesn&#8217;t excuse or exonerate our own sons-of-bitches, to whom we have a greater responsibility, if on no other grounds than geographic proximity.</p>
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		By: kungfuhobbit		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13836</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kungfuhobbit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dont know about inaccurate, but its criticisms are plural. (the poster notes it is outdated)

I dont understand how you arrive at your analysis of the second link.

I also didnt get this analogy please?:
&#039;if we demonize a demon we might accidentally demonize a saint&#039;



my core criticism with kony 2012 comes down to the issue of opportunity cost - that money, effort, awareness etc are being channelled into a complex issue with a low likelihood of satisfactory solubility - it&#039;s a zero sum game and public altruism, pressure and resources could be better spent on other causes with greater merit

why did you label the video subversive?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont know about inaccurate, but its criticisms are plural. (the poster notes it is outdated)</p>
<p>I dont understand how you arrive at your analysis of the second link.</p>
<p>I also didnt get this analogy please?:<br />
&#8216;if we demonize a demon we might accidentally demonize a saint&#8217;</p>
<p>my core criticism with kony 2012 comes down to the issue of opportunity cost &#8211; that money, effort, awareness etc are being channelled into a complex issue with a low likelihood of satisfactory solubility &#8211; it&#8217;s a zero sum game and public altruism, pressure and resources could be better spent on other causes with greater merit</p>
<p>why did you label the video subversive?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kungfuhobbit: Your first link is to a five year old post that is out of date.  The LRA was indeed pushed into the Congo, and also CAR. and they moved back to Uganda, and they&#039;ve been in the Sudan. The information in that post is out of date and inaccurate.

The post at the second link rightly point out that this is hard.   It wrongly implies that since this is hard we should ignore it. It also bring up this strange bugaboo that if we demonize a demon we might accidentally demonize a saint.    I am not impressed.

The third link is largely redundant with the second link.


There are some important points in these critiques, but they hardly lead to the conclusion that this documentary is not making important points and they do not effectively argue that increasing pressure to do something about this many decades old problem is a bad thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kungfuhobbit: Your first link is to a five year old post that is out of date.  The LRA was indeed pushed into the Congo, and also CAR. and they moved back to Uganda, and they&#8217;ve been in the Sudan. The information in that post is out of date and inaccurate.</p>
<p>The post at the second link rightly point out that this is hard.   It wrongly implies that since this is hard we should ignore it. It also bring up this strange bugaboo that if we demonize a demon we might accidentally demonize a saint.    I am not impressed.</p>
<p>The third link is largely redundant with the second link.</p>
<p>There are some important points in these critiques, but they hardly lead to the conclusion that this documentary is not making important points and they do not effectively argue that increasing pressure to do something about this many decades old problem is a bad thing.</p>
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		By: kungfuhobbit		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kungfuhobbit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/
http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/joseph-kony-and-crowdsourced-intervention/
http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/invisible-childrens-military-disconnect/#more-6538

hopefully these work (just my faves, obviously seek other sources)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/</a><br />
<a href="http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/joseph-kony-and-crowdsourced-intervention/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/joseph-kony-and-crowdsourced-intervention/</a><br />
<a href="http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/invisible-childrens-military-disconnect/#more-6538" rel="nofollow ugc">http://kingsofwar.org.uk/2012/03/invisible-childrens-military-disconnect/#more-6538</a></p>
<p>hopefully these work (just my faves, obviously seek other sources)</p>
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		By: Corleone		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Corleone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s act like humans and stop KONY. Help us stop him, use the following link: http://on.fb.me/yFkSqy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s act like humans and stop KONY. Help us stop him, use the following link: <a href="http://on.fb.me/yFkSqy" rel="nofollow ugc">http://on.fb.me/yFkSqy</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/03/07/kony-2012-subversive-film-worth-a-look/#comment-13832</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mostly broken.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly broken.</p>
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