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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491739</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MikeB:  you forgot to mention that the Cato people she takes her cue from believe AGW is real.   McArdle&#039;s point is that if people of that ideological bent believe in it, it&#039;s stronger evidence than if someone on the lefty green side believes in it, since they&#039;re doing so despite having an incentive not to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MikeB:  you forgot to mention that the Cato people she takes her cue from believe AGW is real.   McArdle&#8217;s point is that if people of that ideological bent believe in it, it&#8217;s stronger evidence than if someone on the lefty green side believes in it, since they&#8217;re doing so despite having an incentive not to.</p>
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		By: Hank Roberts		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491738</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hank Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.eurochek.com/news/fulltext/News.asp?FTID=588&#038;Title=Pretexting:%20The%20Legal%20Basics,%20Then%20and%20Now" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.eurochek.com/news/fulltext/News.asp?FTID=588&#038;Title=Pretexting:%20The%20Legal%20Basics,%20Then%20and%20Now</a></p>
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		By: MikeB		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Getting away from computers, and on to know-nothing hacks, it now becomes clear why Megan mcArdle was so rubbish about Heartland (she would have put the memo in the bin, evidently in much the same spirit as Woodward &amp; Bernstein ).

It turns out the when it comes to AGW, she basically farms out her opinion on the science to someone from the Cato Institute, from what I see on Climate Progress.  It takes real courage to be a mouthpiece for a right wing freemarket think tank (in the process of being taken over by the Kochs), rather than do some research of your own.

McArdle was at least honest enough to admit she now has zero credibility, but not honest enough to admit to herself that she&#039;s a really rubbish &#039;journalist&#039;.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting away from computers, and on to know-nothing hacks, it now becomes clear why Megan mcArdle was so rubbish about Heartland (she would have put the memo in the bin, evidently in much the same spirit as Woodward &#038; Bernstein ).</p>
<p>It turns out the when it comes to AGW, she basically farms out her opinion on the science to someone from the Cato Institute, from what I see on Climate Progress.  It takes real courage to be a mouthpiece for a right wing freemarket think tank (in the process of being taken over by the Kochs), rather than do some research of your own.</p>
<p>McArdle was at least honest enough to admit she now has zero credibility, but not honest enough to admit to herself that she&#8217;s a really rubbish &#8216;journalist&#8217;.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, I see.  Thanks for the clarification. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see.  Thanks for the clarification. </p>
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		By: Chris O'Neill		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491735</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 07:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;no one (and that includes you) can make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not trying to make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft. I pointed out that the above definition of identity theft is bizarre. According to that definition, IF Gleik used someone else&#039;s name in the blacked-out space then it is identity theft according to that bizarre definition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>no one (and that includes you) can make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft. I pointed out that the above definition of identity theft is bizarre. According to that definition, IF Gleik used someone else&#8217;s name in the blacked-out space then it is identity theft according to that bizarre definition.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491734</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 05:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let me be blindingly clear: I don&#039;t know what name he used, and neither do you.  Therefore, neither one of us (and that would include you) can not make the claim that he stole someone&#039;s identity.  Therefore, no one (and that includes you) can make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft.  Doing so (when you do it, that is) at this point is what one might call libel.

You are making a leap that may be correct, but at this point it is unknown and therefore, stated in the terms you&#039;ve used, misinformation.  Lies, even.  So cut that out, please.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be blindingly clear: I don&#8217;t know what name he used, and neither do you.  Therefore, neither one of us (and that would include you) can not make the claim that he stole someone&#8217;s identity.  Therefore, no one (and that includes you) can make the claim that he committed the crime of identity theft.  Doing so (when you do it, that is) at this point is what one might call libel.</p>
<p>You are making a leap that may be correct, but at this point it is unknown and therefore, stated in the terms you&#8217;ve used, misinformation.  Lies, even.  So cut that out, please.  </p>
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		By: Chris O'Neill		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 04:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If you don&#039;t know what name he used&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I presume it&#039;s the name that is blacked out in &lt;a href=&quot;http://fakegate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/1-27-2012-8-36-am.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this email&lt;/a&gt; and I presume the name is not Gleick&#039;s.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you don&#8217;t know what name he used</p></blockquote>
<p>I presume it&#8217;s the name that is blacked out in <a href="http://fakegate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/1-27-2012-8-36-am.jpg" rel="nofollow">this email</a> and I presume the name is not Gleick&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: Ima Fakeperson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491732</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ima Fakeperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris: If you don&#039;t know what name he used, how do you know he impersonated someone? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: If you don&#8217;t know what name he used, how do you know he impersonated someone? </p>
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		By: Chris O'Neill		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491731</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 23:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;What is the name to which you refer?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t know exactly but whatever name it was that Gleick was using in the emails he sent to Heartland.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What is the name to which you refer?</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly but whatever name it was that Gleick was using in the emails he sent to Heartland.</p>
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		By: Chris O'Neill		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/29/heartland-1-ncse-0/#comment-491730</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris O'Neill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;It appears to include (1) uses any personal identifying information&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;It&quot; meaning identity theft.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It appears to include (1) uses any personal identifying information</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;It&#8221; meaning identity theft.</p>
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