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	Comments on: Climate Science Denial at Carleton University: A Detailed Take-Down	</title>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491549</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding Mr. Tom Harris’ stint at Carleton University, MacLeans published an article called
“Professor criticized for course denying climate change”
Tom Harris IS NOT A PROFESSOR AND NEVER HAS BEEN ONE. MacLeans should publish a disclaimer to inform readers of this egregious mistake, since only highly educated academics with PhD’s deserve this title, not Mr. Harris (who has an MA in Engineering).
His expertise in anthropogenic climate change - none.
Mr. Tom Harris lectured for a short time at Carleton University before he was unceremoniously removed for teaching his anti-anthropogenic climate change rhetoric.  MacLeans also doesn’t mention that Mr. Tom Harris and several organizations he has been affiliated with, have been funded by fossil fuel industries…clearly a conflict of interests. Money can make some people sell their souls apparently, even if it means regurgitating information and propaganda that flies against internationally accepted scientifically proven facts.
For MacLeans to call Mr. Harris a professor is a travesty. A  professor has the highest educational rank at universities and research institutions. They are experts in their areas of expertise and are accomplished and recognized academics. They are scholars with doctorate degrees (typically Ph.D. degrees) who teach in universities. They conduct original research and teach grads and undergrads in areas of their expertise. They publish advanced original research in peer reviewed journals in their fields. A professor may also serve as a public intellectual, offering opinions to media and in other forums on current issues and other complex matters that require expert illumination, which Mr. Harris endeavours to do but fails miserably at, owing to his lack of education on the subject and financial interests in the fossil fuel industry. After much work, a professor may become tenured which allows him or her academic freedom. It is beneficial for society and academy in the long run if scholars are at liberty to examine, hold, and advance controversial views without fear of dismissal, however it must be emphasized that only tenured professors are afforded this freedom since they have the education, peer reviewed publications, extensive experience and overall knowledge required to intellectually select and teach such materials.
Mr. Harris has never put in the several years of education required to become a professor.  He has never put in the hard work and time required for research or writing advanced scholarly studies that are published in peer reviewed journals. Mr. Tom Harris had the audacity to teach controversial ideas, without the required education, peer reviewed publications, experience or overall knowledge. Doing so is allowed only to tenured professors for reasons already discussed.
This is all why Mr. Tom Harris was kicked to the curb of Carleton University...and rightfully so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Mr. Tom Harris’ stint at Carleton University, MacLeans published an article called<br />
“Professor criticized for course denying climate change”<br />
Tom Harris IS NOT A PROFESSOR AND NEVER HAS BEEN ONE. MacLeans should publish a disclaimer to inform readers of this egregious mistake, since only highly educated academics with PhD’s deserve this title, not Mr. Harris (who has an MA in Engineering).<br />
His expertise in anthropogenic climate change &#8211; none.<br />
Mr. Tom Harris lectured for a short time at Carleton University before he was unceremoniously removed for teaching his anti-anthropogenic climate change rhetoric.  MacLeans also doesn’t mention that Mr. Tom Harris and several organizations he has been affiliated with, have been funded by fossil fuel industries…clearly a conflict of interests. Money can make some people sell their souls apparently, even if it means regurgitating information and propaganda that flies against internationally accepted scientifically proven facts.<br />
For MacLeans to call Mr. Harris a professor is a travesty. A  professor has the highest educational rank at universities and research institutions. They are experts in their areas of expertise and are accomplished and recognized academics. They are scholars with doctorate degrees (typically Ph.D. degrees) who teach in universities. They conduct original research and teach grads and undergrads in areas of their expertise. They publish advanced original research in peer reviewed journals in their fields. A professor may also serve as a public intellectual, offering opinions to media and in other forums on current issues and other complex matters that require expert illumination, which Mr. Harris endeavours to do but fails miserably at, owing to his lack of education on the subject and financial interests in the fossil fuel industry. After much work, a professor may become tenured which allows him or her academic freedom. It is beneficial for society and academy in the long run if scholars are at liberty to examine, hold, and advance controversial views without fear of dismissal, however it must be emphasized that only tenured professors are afforded this freedom since they have the education, peer reviewed publications, extensive experience and overall knowledge required to intellectually select and teach such materials.<br />
Mr. Harris has never put in the several years of education required to become a professor.  He has never put in the hard work and time required for research or writing advanced scholarly studies that are published in peer reviewed journals. Mr. Tom Harris had the audacity to teach controversial ideas, without the required education, peer reviewed publications, experience or overall knowledge. Doing so is allowed only to tenured professors for reasons already discussed.<br />
This is all why Mr. Tom Harris was kicked to the curb of Carleton University&#8230;and rightfully so.</p>
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		By: Jimmy		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491547</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 11:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Laden is an idiot.  Sucking on the teat of AGW with the other left wing nuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Laden is an idiot.  Sucking on the teat of AGW with the other left wing nuts.</p>
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		By: Jimmy		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491548</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 11:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg Laden is an idiot.  Sucking on the teat of AGW with the other left wing nuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Laden is an idiot.  Sucking on the teat of AGW with the other left wing nuts.</p>
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		By: Daniel J. Andrews		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491546</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel J. Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Chris Mooney seems like he may finally be coming around and discovering that the denialists (and anti-science types in general) won&#039;t be swayed by polite reasoned arguments. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

My feeling is that he&#039;s been clarifying the old bridge-building comments for a while now. He has, AFAIK, always known that denialists won&#039;t be swayed by polite reasoned arguments, but his point was not to alienate whole segments of a population just because a small number of them were unreasonable. E.g. you can alienate every religious person out there by attacking their beliefs or you can reach out and form relationships with some of them, which would further isolate the extremists you can&#039;t reason with regardless.

For that, he was called accommodationist and on numerous blogs told he was wrong and that there could be no working with religious people. Six months later Dawkins was doing exactly what Mooney was advocating (not that I think Mooney&#039;s arguments had anything to do with that) by writing articles with one of the bishops(?), and I noted there weren&#039;t any comments calling Dawkins an accommodationist.

Anyway, Mooney has clarified his position several times and maybe even backed off a bit from the cheerful optimism of his original statements, and I find I quite enjoy reading his posts this last year or so.

Of course, this could just be my brain rewriting history and my interpretation is quite wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Chris Mooney seems like he may finally be coming around and discovering that the denialists (and anti-science types in general) won&#8217;t be swayed by polite reasoned arguments. </p></blockquote>
<p>My feeling is that he&#8217;s been clarifying the old bridge-building comments for a while now. He has, AFAIK, always known that denialists won&#8217;t be swayed by polite reasoned arguments, but his point was not to alienate whole segments of a population just because a small number of them were unreasonable. E.g. you can alienate every religious person out there by attacking their beliefs or you can reach out and form relationships with some of them, which would further isolate the extremists you can&#8217;t reason with regardless.</p>
<p>For that, he was called accommodationist and on numerous blogs told he was wrong and that there could be no working with religious people. Six months later Dawkins was doing exactly what Mooney was advocating (not that I think Mooney&#8217;s arguments had anything to do with that) by writing articles with one of the bishops(?), and I noted there weren&#8217;t any comments calling Dawkins an accommodationist.</p>
<p>Anyway, Mooney has clarified his position several times and maybe even backed off a bit from the cheerful optimism of his original statements, and I find I quite enjoy reading his posts this last year or so.</p>
<p>Of course, this could just be my brain rewriting history and my interpretation is quite wrong.</p>
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		By: Carrington Ward		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491545</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrington Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton College, in Minnesota, I wish Carleton university would take better care of the shared brand.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton College, in Minnesota, I wish Carleton university would take better care of the shared brand.</p>
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		By: Composer99		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491544</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Composer99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[drivebyposter:

Workin&#039; on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drivebyposter:</p>
<p>Workin&#8217; on it.</p>
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		By: harbinger		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491543</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;a number of organisations that have involvement with the energy industry.&quot;

I know of other academic institutions with involvement with the energy industry, I don&#039;t know how anyone can believe anything that comes out from them:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1121-04.htm
Thursday, November 21, 2002 by the New York Times

Exxon-Led Group Is Giving a Climate Grant to Stanford
by Andrew Revkin

Four big international companies, including the oil giant Exxon Mobil, said yesterday that they would give Stanford University $225 million over 10 years for research on ways to meet growing energy needs without worsening global warming.

Auto.com/Bloomberg News
October 26, 2000
http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirc26_20001026.htm

LONDON -- BP Amoco Plc, the world&#039;s No. 3 publicly traded oil company, and Ford Motor Co. said they will give Princeton University $20 million over 10 years to study ways to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. BP said it will give $15 million. Ford, the world&#039;s second-biggest automaker, is donating $5 million.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a number of organisations that have involvement with the energy industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know of other academic institutions with involvement with the energy industry, I don&#8217;t know how anyone can believe anything that comes out from them:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1121-04.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1121-04.htm</a><br />
Thursday, November 21, 2002 by the New York Times</p>
<p>Exxon-Led Group Is Giving a Climate Grant to Stanford<br />
by Andrew Revkin</p>
<p>Four big international companies, including the oil giant Exxon Mobil, said yesterday that they would give Stanford University $225 million over 10 years for research on ways to meet growing energy needs without worsening global warming.</p>
<p>Auto.com/Bloomberg News<br />
October 26, 2000<br />
<a href="http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirc26_20001026.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.auto.com/industry/iwirc26_20001026.htm</a></p>
<p>LONDON &#8212; BP Amoco Plc, the world&#8217;s No. 3 publicly traded oil company, and Ford Motor Co. said they will give Princeton University $20 million over 10 years to study ways to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions from fossil fuels. BP said it will give $15 million. Ford, the world&#8217;s second-biggest automaker, is donating $5 million.</p>
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		By: Drivebyposter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491542</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton, I am ashamed that this nonsense is being promoted in a science class.
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Perhaps you should send them an email or something saying so?]]></description>
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Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton, I am ashamed that this nonsense is being promoted in a science class.
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<p>Perhaps you should send them an email or something saying so?</p>
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		By: Composer99		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Composer99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 04:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton, I am ashamed that this nonsense is being promoted in a science class.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as an alumnus of Carleton, I am ashamed that this nonsense is being promoted in a science class.</p>
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		By: Jasso		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/28/climate-denial-at-carleton-uni/#comment-491540</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jasso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 03:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@NJ (#9)

That is exactly what I was thinking when I read comments 5 &amp; 7, mostly because of the unimaginative attempt at parody with the user names.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NJ (#9)</p>
<p>That is exactly what I was thinking when I read comments 5 &#038; 7, mostly because of the unimaginative attempt at parody with the user names.</p>
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