Comments on: Zombie Bill Reawakens in Oklahoma

By: John

John — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:42:55 +0000

Fifty years ago evolution wasn’t controversial in my Oklahoma school. In fact, Inherit the Wind was a hit in my hometown’s community theater (my Dad played the slobbering preacher). It seems like they’re turning into monkeys there nowadays.

By: F

Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:29:53 +0000

As if science doesn’t already acknowledge a lack of data or bits of theory which are not strongly supported. That’s how science works. Not by making up weaknesses with respect to religious and other weird thinking. And coming to a conclusion that some organism better fits in a species different than originally though, for example, doesn’t weaken the entire theory of evolution. It only weakens a theory or hypothesis with respect to that organism, population, clade, family, etc.

Hey, at sunset, the sky isn’t always blue! Blue-sky theory refuted!

By: g724

g724 — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:46:32 +0000

What to do about this:

Amend the bill with language that also calls for teaching socialism in economics classes, presenting views in favor of legalizing marijuana in drug education classes, and so on. In other words, bring up every item on which the progressive left wants to call out a controversy and “teach both sides.” Further, any teaching of creationism should be accompanied by teaching the rest of that controversy in the form of all the scientific findings that support atheism or at least refute fundamentalism.

Watch the creationists’ heads explode. Watch them weasel around to try to defeat the amendments. And then if they pass the law the way they want it, raise up a great big lawsuit demanding to teach socialism as a counterpoint to free-market economics.

The way to get these people to run away shrieking isn’t to play defense, it’s to play offense, and go on the attack.

By: Jason

Jason — Thu, 23 Feb 2012 01:02:43 +0000

Based on the title of your post, I was hoping educators would get to teach the “scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses” of theories regarding the Zombie Apocalypse. Presumably the likelihood of that event is similar to some of the other topics these legislators want to teach?

By: vhutchison

vhutchison — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:39:46 +0000

Knightly: Although the proponents of the bill claim that only science would be allowed (in their arguments before the committee), it is clear that the inclusion of ‘strengths and weakneses” and ‘controversial’ subjects would allow teachers to bring in anti-science materials. Certainly some teachers reading the bill would assume they could bring in ID, et., since the proponents claim it is science. These and other problems with ‘academic freedom acts’ have been pointed out repeatedly by NCSE and other pro-science groups.

By: Knightly

Knightly — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:22:00 +0000

Would the bill allow teachers to teach the actual science and then point out why the anti-climate change/anti-evolution arguments are wrong?

By: vhutchison

vhutchison — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 02:12:01 +0000

Despite concerted efforts here in Oklahoma to defeat this bill, it passed the committee 9-7. I was there in hopes I could address the committee, but Newt Gingrich spoke to the legislature and put everything behind schedule. Thus the Committee would not allow comments from the public. The bill was not placed on the agenda until just 24 hours before the meeting – the minimum requirement.

Hopefully, the bill will not be heard on the floor. Another of creationist Sally Kern’s bills last year also passed 9-7, but the House leadership did not place it for a vote. HB 1551 is very similar to SB 1742 and the Chair of the Senate Education Committee has said he is not in favor of the bill. As Chair, he can decide not to hear the bills when they come before his committee. Two years ago he was the deciding vote that killed an earlier academic freedom act – and he is a Republican – the only one to vote against the bill.

Thus, we remain hopeful that we will see such bills defeated for the eleventh year in a row. Not an easy thing in this reddest of states where the Republicans have major majorities in both houses and hold all elected state offices. A good sign is that a few Repubicans have joined with Democrats to oppose such bills.