Comments on: The meaning of HeartlandGate https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/ Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:39:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: MarlKarx https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491072 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:39:16 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491072 mikel @ 13 – You know, I heard some denialists talking the other day. They were claiming the the chloroflocarbon deal was ALSO a manufactured crisis (yeah, right!) and that it is what emboldened AGW peoples to start pushing their agenda. I told those guys they were morons! I actually said to them, “Have you seen Greg Laden’s blog!?!” Oh, and to an earlier poster, TIT @ 5, I fully meant to include the denialists as well! I think they should have to breath from a tank with air that has 400 ppm of CO2!!! DY! DY! DY! Right? Back to mikel @ 13 – now that you mention it, Al Gore is kind of an ahole. So do you think we have longer than 3 years? It can’t be much more than that can it?

]]> By: mikel https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491071 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:14:33 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491071

The question is: Is enough to put the United States government in charge of the climate, or do we need to create a world government to control it?

No. International agreements should be enough. There is a history there. Look up chlorofluorocarbons.

According to Al Gore, we only have 3 more years before it is too late. Windmills!

Al Gore? Really? Have you not noticed that the only people on Earth who even think about Gore these days are AGW denialists?

]]> By: Wow https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491070 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:52:18 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491070 You mean like a sort of coalition of world governments?

You know, the one that made the invasion of a sovereign country and the murdering of many people (including the president!) legal and not a Neurember-type “waging of an aggressive war”?

Or how about WTO or the NAFTA? meta-governmental institutions to aid US interests in political change throughout the world?

I think the USA are already find and dandy about world government.

]]> By: MarlKarx https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491069 Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:57:39 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491069 So, how do we get this AGW under control? The Replukicans blocked all of Obama’s attempts to address it, somehow even when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congrease. We need legislation! The question is: Is enough to put the United States government in charge of the climate, or do we need to create a world government to control it? Maybe we can use some existing government entities as a model for global climate control. Something like the Department of Education, or the United Nations, for instance. Whatever the case, we had better hurry. According to Al Gore, we only have 3 more years before it is too late. Windmills!

]]> By: Jer https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491068 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:45:20 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491068 Also, apparently they’ve sent out an e-mail admitting that the documents were real, saying that the documents were obtained fraudulently via identity theft and apologizing to donor’s whose names appeared on the documents.

Reproduction of the e-mail published here.

So yeah – it looks real. They really are trying to undermine education in the US.

]]> By: dean https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491067 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:30:31 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491067 You’re a busy man Dave – same message here and at Class M. The fact that your messages were identical caught my eye.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491066 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:23:11 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491066 Dave, your standards of evidence are rather weak. Also there is nothing of consequence in that document that isn’t elsewhere in the other documents. Why would someone fake a document that simply says what the other documents say? Heartland is stretching.

Your track record for making stuff up to put in comments on this blog don’t afford you with a lot of credibility.

Not that I’m saying I can prove it is not fake. But really, what else is Heartland going to say (other then perhaps the truth).

]]> By: Dave Burton https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491065 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 21:22:23 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491065 Well, the “2012 Climate Strategy.pdf” document (the one with the shocking quotes) is probably fake. Here’re the suspicious-smelling things I noticed about it:

1. It uses the term “anti-climate” to refer to Heartland’s position — which neither Heartland nor any other climate skeptic outfit ever uses.

2. It is written in the 1st person, yet with no indication of who wrote it.

3. The PDF is time-stamped with a Pacific Standard Time timestamp, even though Heartland is in Chicago, and none of its directors are in the Pacific Time Zone, nor even in a State adjacent to the Pacific Time Zone.

So it appears likely that, as Heartland claims, the document really is a fake, and a clumsy one, at that.

]]> By: TTT https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491064 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:34:21 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491064 Wouldn’t it be great if the consequences of AGW could be localized to just the immediate vicinity of those responsible for causing it

It’s trolling but true at the same time. Except that the deniers should get it too.

]]> By: Arctic Kitty (Your Mom) https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491063 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:46:37 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/02/15/the-meaning-of-heartlandgate/#comment-491063 LOL. Greg steps in it. again.

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