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		By: doktorzoom		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13268</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan-o, that is arguably the stupidest analogy I&#039;ve seen. The president is a racecar driver? That&#039;s just breathtakingly idiotic. 

As for &quot;civil unions,&quot; the 9th District Court noted: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Had Marilyn Monroe’s film been called ‘How to Register a Domestic Partnership with a Millionaire,’ it would not have conveyed the same meaning as did her famous movie, even though the underlying drama for same-sex couples is no different,&quot; the judges wrote.

The judges wrote that in society, &quot;We are excited to see someone ask, ‘Will you marry me?’, whether on bended knee in a restaurant or in text splashed across a stadium Jumbotron. Certainly it would not have the same effect to see, ‘Will you enter into a registered domestic partnership with me?’.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/prop-8-ruling-judges-invoke-marilyn-monroe-movies-and-jumbotrons-35166]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan-o, that is arguably the stupidest analogy I&#8217;ve seen. The president is a racecar driver? That&#8217;s just breathtakingly idiotic. </p>
<p>As for &#8220;civil unions,&#8221; the 9th District Court noted: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Had Marilyn Monroe’s film been called ‘How to Register a Domestic Partnership with a Millionaire,’ it would not have conveyed the same meaning as did her famous movie, even though the underlying drama for same-sex couples is no different,&#8221; the judges wrote.</p>
<p>The judges wrote that in society, &#8220;We are excited to see someone ask, ‘Will you marry me?’, whether on bended knee in a restaurant or in text splashed across a stadium Jumbotron. Certainly it would not have the same effect to see, ‘Will you enter into a registered domestic partnership with me?’.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/prop-8-ruling-judges-invoke-marilyn-monroe-movies-and-jumbotrons-35166" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/prop-8-ruling-judges-invoke-marilyn-monroe-movies-and-jumbotrons-35166</a></p>
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		By: herp		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13267</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 19:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No I get it.  I&#039;m just using it in reverse.  You were implying that saying the economy was in decline before Obama took office was like saying that two racers would finish exactly at the same time (i.e. very unlikely and near impossible)?

While it still seems strange, since that would boil down to saying the economy was in decline is nearly impossible, if I were to just go with it and assume you meant that Obama ruined the economy and G.W. Bush did no such thing and was not to blame, I would like to change the poor driver to G.W. Bush holding down the gas pedal with a brick, and Obama frantically steering the wheel....

If I&#039;m still really lost on your analogy, please feel free to clarify and point out where I am misunderstanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I get it.  I&#8217;m just using it in reverse.  You were implying that saying the economy was in decline before Obama took office was like saying that two racers would finish exactly at the same time (i.e. very unlikely and near impossible)?</p>
<p>While it still seems strange, since that would boil down to saying the economy was in decline is nearly impossible, if I were to just go with it and assume you meant that Obama ruined the economy and G.W. Bush did no such thing and was not to blame, I would like to change the poor driver to G.W. Bush holding down the gas pedal with a brick, and Obama frantically steering the wheel&#8230;.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m still really lost on your analogy, please feel free to clarify and point out where I am misunderstanding.</p>
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		By: dan-o		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13266</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13265&quot;&gt;herp&lt;/a&gt;.

Meaning same car 2 drivers one car is gong to do better than the other in terms of what position they finished the race because not all drivers (presidents) are equal. They could tie but the likeness of that is probably one in a million. Makes perfect sense now &#038; when I wrote it above. Sorry for confusing you with car racing comparisons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13265">herp</a>.</p>
<p>Meaning same car 2 drivers one car is gong to do better than the other in terms of what position they finished the race because not all drivers (presidents) are equal. They could tie but the likeness of that is probably one in a million. Makes perfect sense now &amp; when I wrote it above. Sorry for confusing you with car racing comparisons.</p>
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		By: herp		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13265</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, so you dan-o have the higher moral ground because you would not glitter a candidate?  That&#039;s something that I think many here would not do, though probably feel is justified.  As far as your posts in general, I call troll.  You do not validate or defend anything you are saying.  I&#039;ll just pat you on the head and say, &quot;Silly boy.&quot;

I would like to say that your analogy is really great for proving the opposite of what you said.  Two drivers with identical cars, both going in the same direction (down in this case), would have ended up in different positions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so you dan-o have the higher moral ground because you would not glitter a candidate?  That&#8217;s something that I think many here would not do, though probably feel is justified.  As far as your posts in general, I call troll.  You do not validate or defend anything you are saying.  I&#8217;ll just pat you on the head and say, &#8220;Silly boy.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like to say that your analogy is really great for proving the opposite of what you said.  Two drivers with identical cars, both going in the same direction (down in this case), would have ended up in different positions.</p>
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		By: dan-o		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13264</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13263&quot;&gt;Otrame&lt;/a&gt;.

The economy is bad because Obama was not able to turn it around and still hasn&#039;t. Don&#039;t say that the economy was already heading south when GW was in office. That is like saying two race car drivers in the same race driving duplicate cars would finish in the exact same position. As far as marrying that is why we have the expression Civil Union and as far as me enjoyng the ads on here that is quite a bit different than someone glittering a candidate. Wish I could do this to Obama but I could not drop my standards low enough to make it work. Some of us just have higher moral standards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13263">Otrame</a>.</p>
<p>The economy is bad because Obama was not able to turn it around and still hasn&#8217;t. Don&#8217;t say that the economy was already heading south when GW was in office. That is like saying two race car drivers in the same race driving duplicate cars would finish in the exact same position. As far as marrying that is why we have the expression Civil Union and as far as me enjoyng the ads on here that is quite a bit different than someone glittering a candidate. Wish I could do this to Obama but I could not drop my standards low enough to make it work. Some of us just have higher moral standards.</p>
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		By: Otrame		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13263</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, dan-o, it is disrespectful.  It might have something to do with the fact that the candidates in question disrespect large parts of the American people on a regular basis.  You might consider how you would feel if a candidate worked hard to keep you from marrying the person who you love, or said that your religion meant you could not be considered a patriot, or because the economy is bad and you are having trouble feeding your family that you are a lazy bum and deserve contempt, or  that the policies you think would improve life for everyone in this country are evil--not just wrong, but evil.

So yeah, it&#039;s disrespectful.  Rightfully so.

As for your glee at the misplaced ads here, what are you, twelve?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, dan-o, it is disrespectful.  It might have something to do with the fact that the candidates in question disrespect large parts of the American people on a regular basis.  You might consider how you would feel if a candidate worked hard to keep you from marrying the person who you love, or said that your religion meant you could not be considered a patriot, or because the economy is bad and you are having trouble feeding your family that you are a lazy bum and deserve contempt, or  that the policies you think would improve life for everyone in this country are evil&#8211;not just wrong, but evil.</p>
<p>So yeah, it&#8217;s disrespectful.  Rightfully so.</p>
<p>As for your glee at the misplaced ads here, what are you, twelve?</p>
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		By: evilDoug		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13262</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;quite disrespectful&quot;

That is the whole point, n&#039;est-ce pas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;quite disrespectful&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the whole point, n&#8217;est-ce pas?</p>
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		By: Desert Son, OM		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13261</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dan-o at #9:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I enjoy seeing Christian ads on this blog to be exact. :) :)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok, you&#039;ve added some specificity as to type of advertisement relative to The X Blog, but can you elaborate on the &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; relative to the &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt;? Is it the incongruity that&#039;s enjoyable? I&#039;m just curious because in the case of incongruous advertising at The X Blog (or any of the Freethought Blogs, for that matter) it probably has more to do with the limits of the advertising algorithm than it does with decisions by various blog personnel, or even the advertisers themselves. In fact, at a guess, I&#039;d hazard that most advertisers might prefer their advertisements reach a broader range of more likely buyers rather than the hopeful-game-of-horseshoes-around-keywords approach (but, again, it&#039;s been years since I was in advertising, and my area wasn&#039;t web-specific, so there&#039;s much I don&#039;t know about the metrics).

In other words, it&#039;s almost like the advertisements are meaningless in the context of the blog content because the advertisements aren&#039;t predicated on the meaning of blog posts, only the keywords that get attached to them. (As an aside, three of the advertisements I&#039;m seeing now are for a video game called &lt;i&gt;Soul Caliber V&lt;/i&gt;, the Mitsubishi automobile manufacturer, and an online payroll processing software application, each of which raises interesting questions about keyword targeting. Are Occupy participants likely interested in Mitsubishi automobiles, or likely players of video games? Are people interested in political commentary likely in need of online payroll processing?)

Also why did you refer to The X Blog as &quot;the non-thinkers blog&quot; in your post at #5?

Thanks.

Still learning,

Robert]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan-o at #9:</p>
<blockquote><p>I enjoy seeing Christian ads on this blog to be exact. 🙂 🙂</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, you&#8217;ve added some specificity as to type of advertisement relative to The X Blog, but can you elaborate on the <i>why</i> relative to the <i>what</i>? Is it the incongruity that&#8217;s enjoyable? I&#8217;m just curious because in the case of incongruous advertising at The X Blog (or any of the Freethought Blogs, for that matter) it probably has more to do with the limits of the advertising algorithm than it does with decisions by various blog personnel, or even the advertisers themselves. In fact, at a guess, I&#8217;d hazard that most advertisers might prefer their advertisements reach a broader range of more likely buyers rather than the hopeful-game-of-horseshoes-around-keywords approach (but, again, it&#8217;s been years since I was in advertising, and my area wasn&#8217;t web-specific, so there&#8217;s much I don&#8217;t know about the metrics).</p>
<p>In other words, it&#8217;s almost like the advertisements are meaningless in the context of the blog content because the advertisements aren&#8217;t predicated on the meaning of blog posts, only the keywords that get attached to them. (As an aside, three of the advertisements I&#8217;m seeing now are for a video game called <i>Soul Caliber V</i>, the Mitsubishi automobile manufacturer, and an online payroll processing software application, each of which raises interesting questions about keyword targeting. Are Occupy participants likely interested in Mitsubishi automobiles, or likely players of video games? Are people interested in political commentary likely in need of online payroll processing?)</p>
<p>Also why did you refer to The X Blog as &#8220;the non-thinkers blog&#8221; in your post at #5?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Still learning,</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		By: dan-o		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13260</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13259&quot;&gt;Desert Son, OM&lt;/a&gt;.

I enjoy seeing Christian ads on this blog to be exact. :) :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13259">Desert Son, OM</a>.</p>
<p>I enjoy seeing Christian ads on this blog to be exact. 🙂 🙂</p>
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		By: Desert Son, OM		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/15/santorum-occupied11/#comment-13259</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[dan-o at #5:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Understood Robert and I still love to see it on the non-thinkers blog! :) :) :)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m not sure I understand. Would you be willing to elaborate on what it is you love about it? Is it the incongruity of the advertising that&#039;s delightful, or some other aspect? Also, can you explain why you reference The X Blog as &quot;the non-thinkers blog&quot;?

The advertising presented is often not determined by the blog host or individual blogger. In those cases, the advertising is indiscriminate, prompted only by keywords instead of an actual measure of the attitudes and interests of the target audience. In effect, the advertising is gambling on finding its audience (and risking not finding its audience at all) by virtue of proximity to subject rather than a more sophisticated market analysis (and it may be that more sophisticated web-specific market analysis is unavailable or prohibitively expensive. It&#039;s been years since I was privy to conversations about new developments in web marketing, and it&#039;s a safe bet that there have been some changes). It&#039;s not truly random advertising, but it might as well be.

Thanks.

Still learning,

Robert]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dan-o at #5:</p>
<blockquote><p>Understood Robert and I still love to see it on the non-thinkers blog! 🙂 🙂 🙂</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand. Would you be willing to elaborate on what it is you love about it? Is it the incongruity of the advertising that&#8217;s delightful, or some other aspect? Also, can you explain why you reference The X Blog as &#8220;the non-thinkers blog&#8221;?</p>
<p>The advertising presented is often not determined by the blog host or individual blogger. In those cases, the advertising is indiscriminate, prompted only by keywords instead of an actual measure of the attitudes and interests of the target audience. In effect, the advertising is gambling on finding its audience (and risking not finding its audience at all) by virtue of proximity to subject rather than a more sophisticated market analysis (and it may be that more sophisticated web-specific market analysis is unavailable or prohibitively expensive. It&#8217;s been years since I was privy to conversations about new developments in web marketing, and it&#8217;s a safe bet that there have been some changes). It&#8217;s not truly random advertising, but it might as well be.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Still learning,</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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