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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13221</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(For me:

I&#039;d find out whether it was just blowing off steam - in which case a Very Serious Discussion about the pragmatic unsoundness of blowing off steam in ways that leave a persistent record that can come back to haunt you would ensue - or if she actually felt that way, in which case a serious discussion of what her responsibilities actually are, how much time and effort they take, and how the dollar value of benefits like the laptop and effort I&#039;ve put into it and other stuff that&#039;s &quot;a favor&quot; and not just &quot;being a responsible parent&quot; compares to minimum wage (favorably, from the sound of it) would ensue.  In either case, if the post was more broadly visible than a handful of her friends or if I otherwise felt the situation was one to take seriously, I might require a follow-up post correcting the factual errors in her previous statement about what is being asked of her and what favors are being done for her that shows she&#039;s learned something from this (maybe hand-written and then her laptop given back to post it).

This...

Her father is fucking abusive.  His concern is clearly not that she has a sense of entitlement, a lack of perspective, and little thought for the consequences of her actions.  It&#039;s that she isn&#039;t sufficiently cowed and deferential to him.  That&#039;s not how grown-ups parent.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(For me:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d find out whether it was just blowing off steam &#8211; in which case a Very Serious Discussion about the pragmatic unsoundness of blowing off steam in ways that leave a persistent record that can come back to haunt you would ensue &#8211; or if she actually felt that way, in which case a serious discussion of what her responsibilities actually are, how much time and effort they take, and how the dollar value of benefits like the laptop and effort I&#8217;ve put into it and other stuff that&#8217;s &#8220;a favor&#8221; and not just &#8220;being a responsible parent&#8221; compares to minimum wage (favorably, from the sound of it) would ensue.  In either case, if the post was more broadly visible than a handful of her friends or if I otherwise felt the situation was one to take seriously, I might require a follow-up post correcting the factual errors in her previous statement about what is being asked of her and what favors are being done for her that shows she&#8217;s learned something from this (maybe hand-written and then her laptop given back to post it).</p>
<p>This&#8230;</p>
<p>Her father is fucking abusive.  His concern is clearly not that she has a sense of entitlement, a lack of perspective, and little thought for the consequences of her actions.  It&#8217;s that she isn&#8217;t sufficiently cowed and deferential to him.  That&#8217;s not how grown-ups parent.)</p>
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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13220</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azkyroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s reassuring.

I was thinking about doing a video response.  My core thesis:

&quot;You did this to &#039;teach her a lesson.&#039;  Okay, let&#039;s see, what lessons did you teach her:

1) guns are toys.
2) she has no right to privacy or to private thoughts or feelings that people with power over her don&#039;t approve of.
3) when people make you mad, hurting them is an appropriate response IF you can get away with it.
4) doing impulsive, destructive things with potentially far-reaching consequences because you&#039;re angry and have an offended sense of entitlement is perfectly fine...you just have to wait until you&#039;re older.&quot;

He literally did the exact same thing she did.  Assuming she actually believes the stuff she supposedly said and wasn&#039;t just blowing off steam...well, wonder where she learned that attitude?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s reassuring.</p>
<p>I was thinking about doing a video response.  My core thesis:</p>
<p>&#8220;You did this to &#8216;teach her a lesson.&#8217;  Okay, let&#8217;s see, what lessons did you teach her:</p>
<p>1) guns are toys.<br />
2) she has no right to privacy or to private thoughts or feelings that people with power over her don&#8217;t approve of.<br />
3) when people make you mad, hurting them is an appropriate response IF you can get away with it.<br />
4) doing impulsive, destructive things with potentially far-reaching consequences because you&#8217;re angry and have an offended sense of entitlement is perfectly fine&#8230;you just have to wait until you&#8217;re older.&#8221;</p>
<p>He literally did the exact same thing she did.  Assuming she actually believes the stuff she supposedly said and wasn&#8217;t just blowing off steam&#8230;well, wonder where she learned that attitude?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13219</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, I watched it.  Here are my comments:

1) Teenagers can be such a pain. Especially when they are cowboyhat wearing parents.

2) I&#039;m glad this video has gotten 23 million views.  That tells us society has it&#039;s act together because I&#039;m sure there was nothing else important to do.

3) I think it&#039;s funny that this guy has a small speech aphasia related to the word &quot;responsibility&quot;.  

I assume child protective services have already rescued the children from this highly functional family!  

More parenting advice here: http://youtu.be/0K-X4DwRxPc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I watched it.  Here are my comments:</p>
<p>1) Teenagers can be such a pain. Especially when they are cowboyhat wearing parents.</p>
<p>2) I&#8217;m glad this video has gotten 23 million views.  That tells us society has it&#8217;s act together because I&#8217;m sure there was nothing else important to do.</p>
<p>3) I think it&#8217;s funny that this guy has a small speech aphasia related to the word &#8220;responsibility&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I assume child protective services have already rescued the children from this highly functional family!  </p>
<p>More parenting advice here: <a href="http://youtu.be/0K-X4DwRxPc" rel="nofollow ugc">http://youtu.be/0K-X4DwRxPc</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(Which has nothing to do with my daughter. It has everything to do with the fact that her current laptop runs on Windows.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Which has nothing to do with my daughter. It has everything to do with the fact that her current laptop runs on Windows.)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13217</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Azkyroth, well, my daughter&#039;s laptop is the main reason I don&#039;t keep guns around the house.  I&#039;ve not seen the video, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Azkyroth, well, my daughter&#8217;s laptop is the main reason I don&#8217;t keep guns around the house.  I&#8217;ve not seen the video, though.</p>
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		By: Yoritomo		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13216</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yoritomo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow. I believe this is the first time I&#039;ve seen a national politician try and summon a crowd to lobby other politicians. Maybe it&#039;s different in America, but hereabout politicians tend to be happier if their constituents don&#039;t speak up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I believe this is the first time I&#8217;ve seen a national politician try and summon a crowd to lobby other politicians. Maybe it&#8217;s different in America, but hereabout politicians tend to be happier if their constituents don&#8217;t speak up.</p>
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		By: Azkyroth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/14/tweet-your-40dollars/#comment-13215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Azkyroth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,

Slightly off-topic, but I&#039;m morbidly curious to hear your take on that &quot;dad shoots daughter&#039;s laptop&quot; video that&#039;s apparently gone viral in the last few days.  I&#039;m disgusted and appalled both by the father&#039;s actions and attitude and by the fact that most of my classmates think it&#039;s hilarious and awesome, and I could use some kind of sanity balancing that out. :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Slightly off-topic, but I&#8217;m morbidly curious to hear your take on that &#8220;dad shoots daughter&#8217;s laptop&#8221; video that&#8217;s apparently gone viral in the last few days.  I&#8217;m disgusted and appalled both by the father&#8217;s actions and attitude and by the fact that most of my classmates think it&#8217;s hilarious and awesome, and I could use some kind of sanity balancing that out. 🙁</p>
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