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		By: Quantico Cat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490995</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quantico Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Environmentalists have made some tremendously important contributions over the years.  But, here&#039;s the thing... They  are ALL IN on this. The environmentalists have bet the farm on AGW.  And, maybe they are right to do so.  But, if they are not, or if AGW manifests itself as something other than a catastrophe, they will have undermined their credibility to a point where they will not be able to recover it. Their ability to influence will be effectively destroyed.   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Environmentalists have made some tremendously important contributions over the years.  But, here&#8217;s the thing&#8230; They  are ALL IN on this. The environmentalists have bet the farm on AGW.  And, maybe they are right to do so.  But, if they are not, or if AGW manifests itself as something other than a catastrophe, they will have undermined their credibility to a point where they will not be able to recover it. Their ability to influence will be effectively destroyed.   </p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490994</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;So, when somebody asks why you donâ??t believe in AGW you can say;&quot;

I don&#039;t know.

Problems are many.

&quot;Pressure is the required variable only if one compares Atmospheric Thermal Enhancement across planets.&quot;

Doesn&#039;t mean anything.

&quot;There is no confusion with the pressure-controlled lapse rate with the atmosphere of a given planet.&quot;

Is wrong. gravitational potential energy and the specific heat capacity define the lapse rate.

And the equation with pressure/temperature is

PV=nRT.

Note that pressure AND volume are there. Where do you talk about volume? Nowhere.

&quot;â?¢ Heat rises, cool sinks.&quot;

Wrong. Total potential energy is required to be higher to allow rising. Otherwise you would not be able to get inversions. Go read a book on weather.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, when somebody asks why you donâ??t believe in AGW you can say;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Problems are many.</p>
<p>&#8220;Pressure is the required variable only if one compares Atmospheric Thermal Enhancement across planets.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean anything.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no confusion with the pressure-controlled lapse rate with the atmosphere of a given planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is wrong. gravitational potential energy and the specific heat capacity define the lapse rate.</p>
<p>And the equation with pressure/temperature is</p>
<p>PV=nRT.</p>
<p>Note that pressure AND volume are there. Where do you talk about volume? Nowhere.</p>
<p>&#8220;â?¢ Heat rises, cool sinks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. Total potential energy is required to be higher to allow rising. Otherwise you would not be able to get inversions. Go read a book on weather.</p>
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		By: george		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[george]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SUGGESTION:

How to tell somebody you donâ??t believe in AGW.

Science, won the day for scepticism, the scientific method when properly applied won the day. It is the solid foundation that sceptics
are able to base their argument upon. Science canâ??t be politicised, truth of fact canâ??t be denied, a syntax of logic will always destroy beliefs that are without truth.

The Science says:

Pressure is the required variable only if one compares Atmospheric Thermal Enhancement across planets. For any individual planet, it is
the atmospheric mass that effectively controls thermal enhancement. There is no confusion with the pressure-controlled lapse rate with the
atmosphere of a given planet.

Why Now?  Itâ??s the science;

â?¢       The climate of Earthsâ?? atmosphere results from a formation of a climate machine by combining solar isolation and force of pressure.
Coupled with spatio-temporal chaotic systems of irradiation and radiation of surface and atmosphere, dynamic heat distributions of
oceans, a multiple pole thermodynamic atmosphere, with a gravitational velocity and planetary harmonics, spinning on an uneven axis around a
Sun, with fluctuation of solar isolation, immersed in a space that has galactic electromagnetic winds.

â?¢       The physical construct of a planet, with or without an atmosphere, retains ancient energy by the force of pressure on its mass. Otherwise
planets could not exist.

â?¢       Planets attract cold by the density of its mass and distribute heat by the dynamics of mass. Space attracts heat by the sparsest of its
mass.

â?¢       Heat rises, cool sinks. Atmosphere cannot back radiate heat to a warmer surface than the atmosphere which, cools with height.
Thermodynamic gas laws describe the mechanisms of weather in the troposphere.


Ref: General Remarks on the Temperature of the Terrestrial Globe and the Planetary Spaces; by Baron Fourier.

The pressure of the atmosphere and bodies of water, has the general effect to render the distribution of heat more uniform. In the ocean
and in the lakes, the coldest particles, or rather those whose density is the greatest, are continually tending downwards, and the motion of
heat depending on this cause is much more rapid than that which takes place in solid masses in consequence of their connecting power. The
mathematical examination of this effect would require exact and numerous observations. These would enable us to understand how this
internal motion prevents the internal heat of the globe from becoming sensible in deep waters.


Where NASA  got the science wrong:

Arrhenious in 1897 screwed up about the conservation of energy in gaseous mass , he flipped out about the relationship of carbon to life
in a stupid greenhouse.

Dopey Hansen in the early 80â??s flipped out about Arrheniousâ?? mistake and caused all his stupid mates to believe in an invalid scientific
principle. They spent billions in chasing argumentum ad populum.

When, if they had followed a correct method of science, by applying scepticism, they
would have found the answer that has been there, right under their noses.

Climate is a multidisciplinary field of science, and cannot be treated as a pseudoscience, necessary of propitiation. Science will correct
this fatal mistake.

The force of pressure encloses our atmosphere not a greenhouse.

So, when somebody asks why you donâ??t believe in AGW you can say;

â??Itâ??s the science, stupid.â?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SUGGESTION:</p>
<p>How to tell somebody you donâ??t believe in AGW.</p>
<p>Science, won the day for scepticism, the scientific method when properly applied won the day. It is the solid foundation that sceptics<br />
are able to base their argument upon. Science canâ??t be politicised, truth of fact canâ??t be denied, a syntax of logic will always destroy beliefs that are without truth.</p>
<p>The Science says:</p>
<p>Pressure is the required variable only if one compares Atmospheric Thermal Enhancement across planets. For any individual planet, it is<br />
the atmospheric mass that effectively controls thermal enhancement. There is no confusion with the pressure-controlled lapse rate with the<br />
atmosphere of a given planet.</p>
<p>Why Now?  Itâ??s the science;</p>
<p>â?¢       The climate of Earthsâ?? atmosphere results from a formation of a climate machine by combining solar isolation and force of pressure.<br />
Coupled with spatio-temporal chaotic systems of irradiation and radiation of surface and atmosphere, dynamic heat distributions of<br />
oceans, a multiple pole thermodynamic atmosphere, with a gravitational velocity and planetary harmonics, spinning on an uneven axis around a<br />
Sun, with fluctuation of solar isolation, immersed in a space that has galactic electromagnetic winds.</p>
<p>â?¢       The physical construct of a planet, with or without an atmosphere, retains ancient energy by the force of pressure on its mass. Otherwise<br />
planets could not exist.</p>
<p>â?¢       Planets attract cold by the density of its mass and distribute heat by the dynamics of mass. Space attracts heat by the sparsest of its<br />
mass.</p>
<p>â?¢       Heat rises, cool sinks. Atmosphere cannot back radiate heat to a warmer surface than the atmosphere which, cools with height.<br />
Thermodynamic gas laws describe the mechanisms of weather in the troposphere.</p>
<p>Ref: General Remarks on the Temperature of the Terrestrial Globe and the Planetary Spaces; by Baron Fourier.</p>
<p>The pressure of the atmosphere and bodies of water, has the general effect to render the distribution of heat more uniform. In the ocean<br />
and in the lakes, the coldest particles, or rather those whose density is the greatest, are continually tending downwards, and the motion of<br />
heat depending on this cause is much more rapid than that which takes place in solid masses in consequence of their connecting power. The<br />
mathematical examination of this effect would require exact and numerous observations. These would enable us to understand how this<br />
internal motion prevents the internal heat of the globe from becoming sensible in deep waters.</p>
<p>Where NASA  got the science wrong:</p>
<p>Arrhenious in 1897 screwed up about the conservation of energy in gaseous mass , he flipped out about the relationship of carbon to life<br />
in a stupid greenhouse.</p>
<p>Dopey Hansen in the early 80â??s flipped out about Arrheniousâ?? mistake and caused all his stupid mates to believe in an invalid scientific<br />
principle. They spent billions in chasing argumentum ad populum.</p>
<p>When, if they had followed a correct method of science, by applying scepticism, they<br />
would have found the answer that has been there, right under their noses.</p>
<p>Climate is a multidisciplinary field of science, and cannot be treated as a pseudoscience, necessary of propitiation. Science will correct<br />
this fatal mistake.</p>
<p>The force of pressure encloses our atmosphere not a greenhouse.</p>
<p>So, when somebody asks why you donâ??t believe in AGW you can say;</p>
<p>â??Itâ??s the science, stupid.â?</p>
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		By: Norm		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490992</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hurray!  I&#039;m possibly not crazy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurray!  I&#8217;m possibly not crazy!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, you mean the extra &quot;is&quot;?!?  I supposed that depends on what is is. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you mean the extra &#8220;is&#8221;?!?  I supposed that depends on what is is. </p>
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		By: Norm		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m crazy but shouldn&#039;t the title be either:

&quot;Is climate change a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&quot;

or

&quot;Climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&quot;

but

&quot;IS climate change IS a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&quot;

Just sounds really ... wrong.

But again, maybe I&#039;m just crazy.  If I am just crazy, I apologize.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m crazy but shouldn&#8217;t the title be either:</p>
<p>&#8220;Is climate change a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&#8221;</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>&#8220;Climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&#8221;</p>
<p>but</p>
<p>&#8220;IS climate change IS a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&#8221;</p>
<p>Just sounds really &#8230; wrong.</p>
<p>But again, maybe I&#8217;m just crazy.  If I am just crazy, I apologize.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Norm, your comment says &quot;Greg, your OP title is: &quot;Is climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&quot;&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm, your comment says &#8220;Greg, your OP title is: &#8220;Is climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&#8221;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Norm		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, your OP title is:
&quot;Is climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&quot;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, your OP title is:<br />
&#8220;Is climate change is a leftist scientific conspiracy to destroy America?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Quantico Cat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quantico Cat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[scidogs, where do you draw the line for government involvement?  Before or after cap and trade?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scidogs, where do you draw the line for government involvement?  Before or after cap and trade?</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/02/10/is-climate-change-is-a-leftist/#comment-490986</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;A leftist plot to destroy America?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I guess that explains conservative evangelical Christian scientist Katharine Hayhoe believing in Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating. She also wrote a chapter for one of Newt Gingrich&#039;es books discussing climate change - that was later taken out and had her harrassed see here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYhovvLQyc&amp;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plpp_video

Destroy the USA specifically? Funny how climate change is harmless to the rest of planet and no other nation recognises the scientific reality or taking steps &lt;i&gt;(like, say, the Ausie carbon tax &amp; ETS introduced by our PM Julia Gillard this year)&lt;/i&gt; to reduce the speed of the Global Overheating or anything right? Oh wait ..
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;A leftist plot to destroy America?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I guess that explains conservative evangelical Christian scientist Katharine Hayhoe believing in Human Induced Rapid Global Overheating. She also wrote a chapter for one of Newt Gingrich&#8217;es books discussing climate change &#8211; that was later taken out and had her harrassed see here :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYhovvLQyc&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=1&#038;feature=plpp_video" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYhovvLQyc&#038;list=PL029130BFDC78FA33&#038;index=1&#038;feature=plpp_video</a></p>
<p>Destroy the USA specifically? Funny how climate change is harmless to the rest of planet and no other nation recognises the scientific reality or taking steps <i>(like, say, the Ausie carbon tax &#038; ETS introduced by our PM Julia Gillard this year)</i> to reduce the speed of the Global Overheating or anything right? Oh wait ..</p>
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