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	Comments on: &#034;Lord Lawson should name funder of climate sceptic think tank, judge told&#034;	</title>
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		By: Alan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490635</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I&#039;ve expressed no wishes here.&quot; - Fair enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve expressed no wishes here.&#8221; &#8211; Fair enough.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Careful what you wish for Greg, do you really want to extend FOI so far into NGO&#039;s that political operatives can keep tabs on who donates how much to what? If you take away the founder&#039;s political privacy you&#039;re taking away everyone&#039;s political privacy.
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I&#039;m not sure what you think I&#039;m wishing for! I&#039;ve expressed no wishes here.

This is Britain.  In the US, this conversation would not be happening.

Frankly, I think the British system is bad because political and philosophical differences can be settled in ways that do not relate very much to reality, but rather, litigation.  In American, on the other hand, the system is bad because picking your nose can be considered free speech protected by all the resources available, and a non profit that says it supports &quot;transportation innovation and research&quot; can actually be a non-profit that tries to force creationism into our schools (to pick an example).

I am happy that in the US you can&#039;t teach creationism in public school science classrooms in an form but I am not happy that this is because of the Establishment Clause.  Prohibiting forcing religion down student&#039;s throats in science classroom should actually be the rule of the land because it is wrong and stupid.

But, we work with what we have to work with!

&lt;em&gt;Like you ... he is not a climatologists.&lt;/em&gt;

Much of my research and training is in paleoclimate. I was on the faculty of the Lake Research Center (a climate research center) for 6 years, and I&#039;ve had a number of MA and PHD students who did climate and paleoclimate research.  Climatology is not my main area but it is very central to my work and interests!

But overall, yes, we share some concerns.  But if we step back even one or two paces the entire system suddenly comes into focus as problematic everywhere but for different reasons.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Careful what you wish for Greg, do you really want to extend FOI so far into NGO&#8217;s that political operatives can keep tabs on who donates how much to what? If you take away the founder&#8217;s political privacy you&#8217;re taking away everyone&#8217;s political privacy.<br />
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you think I&#8217;m wishing for! I&#8217;ve expressed no wishes here.</p>
<p>This is Britain.  In the US, this conversation would not be happening.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think the British system is bad because political and philosophical differences can be settled in ways that do not relate very much to reality, but rather, litigation.  In American, on the other hand, the system is bad because picking your nose can be considered free speech protected by all the resources available, and a non profit that says it supports &#8220;transportation innovation and research&#8221; can actually be a non-profit that tries to force creationism into our schools (to pick an example).</p>
<p>I am happy that in the US you can&#8217;t teach creationism in public school science classrooms in an form but I am not happy that this is because of the Establishment Clause.  Prohibiting forcing religion down student&#8217;s throats in science classroom should actually be the rule of the land because it is wrong and stupid.</p>
<p>But, we work with what we have to work with!</p>
<p><em>Like you &#8230; he is not a climatologists.</em></p>
<p>Much of my research and training is in paleoclimate. I was on the faculty of the Lake Research Center (a climate research center) for 6 years, and I&#8217;ve had a number of MA and PHD students who did climate and paleoclimate research.  Climatology is not my main area but it is very central to my work and interests!</p>
<p>But overall, yes, we share some concerns.  But if we step back even one or two paces the entire system suddenly comes into focus as problematic everywhere but for different reasons.</p>
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		By: Alan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490633</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Careful what you wish for Greg, do you really want to extend FOI so far into NGO&#039;s that political operatives can keep tabs on who donates how much to what? If you take away the founder&#039;s political privacy you&#039;re taking away everyone&#039;s political privacy.

But bullshit or not, WTF is so &#039;charitable&#039; about writing press releases in the hope of getting on TV? Why the hell isn&#039;t someone paying tax on that marketing money?

PS: I&#039;ve have a BSc and been interested in AGW for 30yrs, as an informed layman I have been full convinced of the robustness of the IPCC processes for about 15yrs. I&#039;m optimistic, compared to 20yrs ago the science is winning hands down.

As long as EVERYONE has a voice the truth will prevail and will continue to gain ground until the shills and flat-earther&#039;s finally become as politically irrelevant as the original April fools. Such people are fair game for ridicule but should otherwise just be ignored.

But as infuriating as trolls are (paid or otherwise), I don&#039;t want to be in a world where they&#039;re stomped to extinction just because they can&#039;t, won&#039;t, or are paid not to, accept the obvious. Do you?

If you don&#039;t, then take a serious look at the reporting style of Peter Sinclair&#039;s youtube series &quot;Climate crock of the week&quot; and compare it to your own angry rants on AGW.

Like you and me he is not a climatologists. However he is a highly regarded journalist and it&#039;s some of the best investigative reporting I ever seen, with just the right amount of ridicule and derision.

As the saying goes; &quot;Don&#039;t get angry, get even&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful what you wish for Greg, do you really want to extend FOI so far into NGO&#8217;s that political operatives can keep tabs on who donates how much to what? If you take away the founder&#8217;s political privacy you&#8217;re taking away everyone&#8217;s political privacy.</p>
<p>But bullshit or not, WTF is so &#8216;charitable&#8217; about writing press releases in the hope of getting on TV? Why the hell isn&#8217;t someone paying tax on that marketing money?</p>
<p>PS: I&#8217;ve have a BSc and been interested in AGW for 30yrs, as an informed layman I have been full convinced of the robustness of the IPCC processes for about 15yrs. I&#8217;m optimistic, compared to 20yrs ago the science is winning hands down.</p>
<p>As long as EVERYONE has a voice the truth will prevail and will continue to gain ground until the shills and flat-earther&#8217;s finally become as politically irrelevant as the original April fools. Such people are fair game for ridicule but should otherwise just be ignored.</p>
<p>But as infuriating as trolls are (paid or otherwise), I don&#8217;t want to be in a world where they&#8217;re stomped to extinction just because they can&#8217;t, won&#8217;t, or are paid not to, accept the obvious. Do you?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t, then take a serious look at the reporting style of Peter Sinclair&#8217;s youtube series &#8220;Climate crock of the week&#8221; and compare it to your own angry rants on AGW.</p>
<p>Like you and me he is not a climatologists. However he is a highly regarded journalist and it&#8217;s some of the best investigative reporting I ever seen, with just the right amount of ridicule and derision.</p>
<p>As the saying goes; &#8220;Don&#8217;t get angry, get even&#8221;</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In all seriousness, Greg, I&#039;ve found that lawyers are capable of amazing feats of ignorance regarding their own States&#039; laws.  I&#039;ve only retained lawyers three times in my life, and once was for creating a trust.  Both of the other times &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; had to point out relevant Arizona statutes to &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all seriousness, Greg, I&#8217;ve found that lawyers are capable of amazing feats of ignorance regarding their own States&#8217; laws.  I&#8217;ve only retained lawyers three times in my life, and once was for creating a trust.  Both of the other times <i>I</i> had to point out relevant Arizona statutes to <i>them</i>.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 05:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if my legal team knows about that?  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if my legal team knows about that?  🙂</p>
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		By: D. C. Sessions		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490630</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. C. Sessions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 02:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The John Birch society chipped in some money to enhance the suit against me. Then everything got quiet and I&#039;ve not heard a thing since then. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Possibly someone noticed that you live in a state with an anti-SLAPP statute.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The John Birch society chipped in some money to enhance the suit against me. Then everything got quiet and I&#8217;ve not heard a thing since then. </p></blockquote>
<p>Possibly someone noticed that you live in a state with an anti-SLAPP statute.</p>
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		By: Drivebyposter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490629</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drivebyposter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmm interesting. I guess they just stopped trying for a lawsuit? Or never really tried in the first place...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm interesting. I guess they just stopped trying for a lawsuit? Or never really tried in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490628</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I was served with a scary email and a lot of people said bad things about me.  The John Birch society chipped in some money to enhance the suit against me.  Then everything got quiet and I&#039;ve not heard a thing since then. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was served with a scary email and a lot of people said bad things about me.  The John Birch society chipped in some money to enhance the suit against me.  Then everything got quiet and I&#8217;ve not heard a thing since then. </p>
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		By: Drivebyposter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/27/lord-lawson-should-name-funder/#comment-490627</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Drivebyposter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
In a related matter, do consider visiting the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund page on Facebook. As you may know, I&#039;m being threatened with a law suit for, like, a zillion pounds by a climate science denialist in Britain. I may need help! But if not me, than someone. Climate denialists will stop at nothing to force their bankrupt agenda.
&lt;/blockquote

Has anything actually happened with that? Or was/is it still just trolls ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
In a related matter, do consider visiting the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund page on Facebook. As you may know, I&#8217;m being threatened with a law suit for, like, a zillion pounds by a climate science denialist in Britain. I may need help! But if not me, than someone. Climate denialists will stop at nothing to force their bankrupt agenda.<br />
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Has anything actually happened with that? Or was/is it still just trolls </p></blockquote>
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