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		By: Sasha Pixlee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sasha Pixlee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It appears that some people leap to conclusions. The comment we allegedly censored was held in moderation. It&#039;s been approved. I can&#039;t testify as to its worthiness, however.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that some people leap to conclusions. The comment we allegedly censored was held in moderation. It&#8217;s been approved. I can&#8217;t testify as to its worthiness, however.</p>
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		By: Des Gegners Hand		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19695</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I left a comment about Hans Eysenck’s (well-replicated) research on psychoticism as the essential mechanism of creativity and why we should expect that most high creative performers and, by extension, scientific experts will be mostly men, because men as a whole score substantially higher on measures of this trait.

I also mentioned that complaining about an excess of men in science is like complaining about an excess of Jews in science: silly. (Indeed, Jews have an extremely disproportionate in the sciences, but there’s nothing wrong with that.)

My comment disappeared shortly thereafter.

It would seem that some science is more acceptable than other science...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a comment about Hans Eysenck’s (well-replicated) research on psychoticism as the essential mechanism of creativity and why we should expect that most high creative performers and, by extension, scientific experts will be mostly men, because men as a whole score substantially higher on measures of this trait.</p>
<p>I also mentioned that complaining about an excess of men in science is like complaining about an excess of Jews in science: silly. (Indeed, Jews have an extremely disproportionate in the sciences, but there’s nothing wrong with that.)</p>
<p>My comment disappeared shortly thereafter.</p>
<p>It would seem that some science is more acceptable than other science&#8230;</p>
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		By: Der Gegner		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19694</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I left a comment about Hans Eysenck&#039;s (well-replicated) research on psychoticism as the central mechanism of creativity and why we should expect that most high creative performers and, by extension, scientific experts, will be mostly men, because men as a whole score substantially higher on measures of this trait.

I also mentioned that complaining about an excess of men in science is like complaining about an excess of Jews in science: silly. (Jews indeed have an extremely disproportionate in the sciences, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with that.)

My comment disappeared promptly thereafter.

It would seem that some evidence is more acceptable than other evidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left a comment about Hans Eysenck&#8217;s (well-replicated) research on psychoticism as the central mechanism of creativity and why we should expect that most high creative performers and, by extension, scientific experts, will be mostly men, because men as a whole score substantially higher on measures of this trait.</p>
<p>I also mentioned that complaining about an excess of men in science is like complaining about an excess of Jews in science: silly. (Jews indeed have an extremely disproportionate in the sciences, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that.)</p>
<p>My comment disappeared promptly thereafter.</p>
<p>It would seem that some evidence is more acceptable than other evidence.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19693</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s entirely a matter of your privilege to have missed the point, of course.  But thanks for your comments. There is truth in what you say, too bad you have no idea how to apply it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s entirely a matter of your privilege to have missed the point, of course.  But thanks for your comments. There is truth in what you say, too bad you have no idea how to apply it.</p>
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		By: barfy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I applaud the effort to edumacate others about &quot;privilege&quot;, but I can&#039;t help but find the efforts misguided by your own ignorance on two fronts.

First: 

Privilege is something every human on Earth has (other than an about to be aborted fetus that was a product of rape or incest.)

Privilege is neither good nor bad. Having &#039;more&#039; privilege is not a value judgment, in itself, of the person with &#039;more&#039; privilege.

Privilege is misunderstood greatly by nearly EVERYBODY who uses it, not the least of which are those who proudly extol their superior understanding of it.

Privilege is contextual, in that it VARIES, not just in definition -  e.g. &quot;male privilege&quot; is as difficult to pin down as jello - but also in circumstance, i.e., it is different for a young, effeminate, attractive, gay male at a gay bar, than it is for a beer-drinkin&#039; pot-bellied straight redneck bubba at the same gay bar.

I have yet to meet the human, every single commentator and blogger and myself included, that wasn&#039;t guilty of egregious and repetitive privilege abuse.


Second:

It&#039;s time - it&#039;s more than time - to end racial characterizations.  PERIOD.

Greg, you know better.

We HAVE to stop labelling &#039;white&#039; or &#039;black&#039; or whatever. It&#039;s unscientific and inaccurate, but worst of all, it promulgates a woo-woo pseudoscientific biological view of humanity that continues to haunt and hurt the human animal.

Stop it.

In the context of the More Than Men project, it is an inappropriate label foisted onto people specifically to belittle them as to having undeserved status.

If you want to call yourself &#039;white&#039; - go ahead. I will THEN mark you as having undeserved status, and buying into a heritage of racism, classism and sexism.

I am not white. Because I claim for myself the freedom to self-identify, e.g. gay/straight, man/woman, democrat/republican, you cannot and should not be allowed to label me as anything other than what I claim or my ACTIONS belie. To do otherwise would be an example of an inappropriate exercise of privilege.


Anyway, I very much like to underlying goal of the More Than Men project.

And if you want to be &quot;white&quot;, then...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud the effort to edumacate others about &#8220;privilege&#8221;, but I can&#8217;t help but find the efforts misguided by your own ignorance on two fronts.</p>
<p>First: </p>
<p>Privilege is something every human on Earth has (other than an about to be aborted fetus that was a product of rape or incest.)</p>
<p>Privilege is neither good nor bad. Having &#8216;more&#8217; privilege is not a value judgment, in itself, of the person with &#8216;more&#8217; privilege.</p>
<p>Privilege is misunderstood greatly by nearly EVERYBODY who uses it, not the least of which are those who proudly extol their superior understanding of it.</p>
<p>Privilege is contextual, in that it VARIES, not just in definition &#8211;  e.g. &#8220;male privilege&#8221; is as difficult to pin down as jello &#8211; but also in circumstance, i.e., it is different for a young, effeminate, attractive, gay male at a gay bar, than it is for a beer-drinkin&#8217; pot-bellied straight redneck bubba at the same gay bar.</p>
<p>I have yet to meet the human, every single commentator and blogger and myself included, that wasn&#8217;t guilty of egregious and repetitive privilege abuse.</p>
<p>Second:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time &#8211; it&#8217;s more than time &#8211; to end racial characterizations.  PERIOD.</p>
<p>Greg, you know better.</p>
<p>We HAVE to stop labelling &#8216;white&#8217; or &#8216;black&#8217; or whatever. It&#8217;s unscientific and inaccurate, but worst of all, it promulgates a woo-woo pseudoscientific biological view of humanity that continues to haunt and hurt the human animal.</p>
<p>Stop it.</p>
<p>In the context of the More Than Men project, it is an inappropriate label foisted onto people specifically to belittle them as to having undeserved status.</p>
<p>If you want to call yourself &#8216;white&#8217; &#8211; go ahead. I will THEN mark you as having undeserved status, and buying into a heritage of racism, classism and sexism.</p>
<p>I am not white. Because I claim for myself the freedom to self-identify, e.g. gay/straight, man/woman, democrat/republican, you cannot and should not be allowed to label me as anything other than what I claim or my ACTIONS belie. To do otherwise would be an example of an inappropriate exercise of privilege.</p>
<p>Anyway, I very much like to underlying goal of the More Than Men project.</p>
<p>And if you want to be &#8220;white&#8221;, then&#8230;</p>
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		By: robertbaden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19691</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good.  A corollary of &quot;white men need to listen to this&quot; is everyone needs to listen to women of color.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good.  A corollary of &#8220;white men need to listen to this&#8221; is everyone needs to listen to women of color.</p>
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		By: F		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19690</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 21:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cool. Keep it up, More Than Men Project. I continue to be impressed, so I hope you can make an impression on others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. Keep it up, More Than Men Project. I continue to be impressed, so I hope you can make an impression on others.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19689</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course not.</p>
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		By: robertbaden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/20/the-more-than-men-project/#comment-19688</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I know enough to not assume they are all Anglas, since my sister and I are kids og a white man and a mexican american woman, and we both can pass.
So, are they all Anglas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I know enough to not assume they are all Anglas, since my sister and I are kids og a white man and a mexican american woman, and we both can pass.<br />
So, are they all Anglas?</p>
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